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Author: George Toft via PLUG-discuss
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Subject: Re: I read chip maker TSMC is a sweatshop
There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and
arithmetic.  Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for my
current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric Snowden
type of security breaches.

If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how government-backed,
guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of education, and how the
government should have never gotten involved with it and they shouldn't
have nationalized it,  but I won't :)

Funny you should mention the competition.  I had a friend from Singapore
who had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and then to the US
for her Graduate because she couldn't get into college in Singapore.

I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this country,
but I work with people who have no college, and some of us have Graduate
degrees.  For the field I'm in, one could self-learn and avoid college. 
And as I retrain for my next career, I have also returned to college and
am becoming very disillusioned.  The curriculum is teaching tool sets
rather than concepts, and at this point, I can pick up some vendor
training and certifications for free and some 4-day industry workshops
for the same price as a 3 semester hour class.  So why should I go to
college?

Regards,

George Toft

On 7/7/2023 2:39 PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> :So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved the
> job more than you since they would do the same work for less money? 
> Also, why would an American be better at the job than someone from
> anywhere else?  Or are you saying you are better than most of your
> peers in general, you're part of the 20% of your profession
> who generate 80% of the value. I mean the competition to get into a
> third-world government university is fierce, especially if it's
> ranked.  The selectivity of admission rates match MIT and Stanford,
> theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a population
> should outperform their European, and even more their American
> competition.
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss
> <> wrote:
>
>     The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors
>     Degrees
>     willing to work for minimum wage.

>
>     Case in point.  My employer is required to post HR crap in the public
>     spaces (break rooms).  One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy was
>     providing a DBA for $66K/year.  Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the
>     resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr).  My kids make more than that
>     with a High School education.  This is what the young people are
>     competing against, so why go into this field?

>
>     Another case in point.  My job got outsourced to Argentina and the
>     resources were getting $6/hr.  I later heard it got raised to $10/hr.
>     That was still 1/4 of what I was making.  Even if the Argentinians
>     screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50% over
>     hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost
>     savings.

>
>     Regards,

>
>     George Toft

>
>     On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>     > On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>     >> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
>     >> just someone drumming up support for something.  In this case,
>     we'll
>     >> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the
>     new fabs
>     >> get all the people they need, etc.  Same deal as when I was
>     working at
>     >> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain
>     most of
>     >> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that worked
>     >> with professionals.  Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an
>     interview
>     >> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting
>     enough
>     >> workers.  At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to
>     drive down
>     >> labor costs.  And with the halts for new housing going out,
>     there is a
>     >> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market.
>     >>
>     >> Am I being paranoid?  I probably need to touch more grass.

>     >
>     > Are you getting too paranoid?  Maybe not.  I quit following the
>     news
>     > because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and
>     working on
>     > the real problems.

>     >
>     > I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think
>     they are
>     > necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then
>     why is
>     > there not a few major tech universities?  Why does Gates exploit
>     the
>     > H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do the
>     > politicians allow all of this?

>     >
>     > We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we
>     not do
>     > things that benefit ourselves and possibly others?

>     >
>     > These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten
>     where
>     > they came from.

>     >
>     > QUESTION?

>     >
>     > I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is
>     located
>     > in Taiwan .  Where did they get that technology and who paid for
>     that
>     > technology?

>     >

>     >

>     >

>     >>
>     >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
>     >> <> wrote:

>     >>
>     >>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  I've read that
>     >>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John
>     >>> Wilkes Booth.

>     >>>
>     >>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>     >>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
>     >>>> sweatshop....

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