I’m with Der.Hans.
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 11:04 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and
> arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for my
> current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric Snowden type
> of security breaches.
>
> If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how government-backed,
> guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of education, and how the
> government should have never gotten involved with it and they shouldn't
> have nationalized it, but I won't :)
> Funny you should mention the competition. I had a friend from Singapore
> who had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and then to the US
> for her Graduate because she couldn't get into college in Singapore.
>
> I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this country, but
> I work with people who have no college, and some of us have Graduate
> degrees. For the field I'm in, one could self-learn and avoid college.
> And as I retrain for my next career, I have also returned to college and am
> becoming very disillusioned. The curriculum is teaching tool sets rather
> than concepts, and at this point, I can pick up some vendor training and
> certifications for free and some 4-day industry workshops for the same
> price as a 3 semester hour class. So why should I go to college?
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 7/7/2023 2:39 PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> :So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved the job
> more than you since they would do the same work for less money? Also, why
> would an American be better at the job than someone from anywhere else? Or
> are you saying you are better than most of your peers in general, you're
> part of the 20% of your profession who generate 80% of the value. I mean
> the competition to get into a third-world government university is fierce,
> especially if it's ranked. The selectivity of admission rates match MIT
> and Stanford, theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a
> population should outperform their European, and even more their American
> competition.
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors Degrees
>> willing to work for minimum wage.
>>
>> Case in point. My employer is required to post HR crap in the public
>> spaces (break rooms). One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy was
>> providing a DBA for $66K/year. Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the
>> resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr). My kids make more than that
>> with a High School education. This is what the young people are
>> competing against, so why go into this field?
>>
>> Another case in point. My job got outsourced to Argentina and the
>> resources were getting $6/hr. I later heard it got raised to $10/hr.
>> That was still 1/4 of what I was making. Even if the Argentinians
>> screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50% over
>> hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost savings.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> George Toft
>>
>> On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
>> >> just someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll
>> >> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs
>> >> get all the people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at
>> >> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of
>> >> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that worked
>> >> with professionals. Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview
>> >> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough
>> >> workers. At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to drive down
>> >> labor costs. And with the halts for new housing going out, there is a
>> >> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market.
>> >>
>> >> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass.
>> >
>> > Are you getting too paranoid? Maybe not. I quit following the news
>> > because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and working on
>> > the real problems.
>> >
>> > I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think they are
>> > necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then why is
>> > there not a few major tech universities? Why does Gates exploit the
>> > H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do the
>> > politicians allow all of this?
>> >
>> > We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we not do
>> > things that benefit ourselves and possibly others?
>> >
>> > These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten where
>> > they came from.
>> >
>> > QUESTION?
>> >
>> > I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located
>> > in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for that
>> > technology?
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
>> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that
>> >>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John
>> >>> Wilkes Booth.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
>> >>>> sweatshop....
>> >>>>
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