I’m with Der.Hans. On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 11:04 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and > arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for my > current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric Snowden type > of security breaches. > > If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how government-backed, > guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of education, and how the > government should have never gotten involved with it and they shouldn't > have nationalized it, but I won't :) > Funny you should mention the competition. I had a friend from Singapore > who had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and then to the US > for her Graduate because she couldn't get into college in Singapore. > > I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this country, but > I work with people who have no college, and some of us have Graduate > degrees. For the field I'm in, one could self-learn and avoid college. > And as I retrain for my next career, I have also returned to college and am > becoming very disillusioned. The curriculum is teaching tool sets rather > than concepts, and at this point, I can pick up some vendor training and > certifications for free and some 4-day industry workshops for the same > price as a 3 semester hour class. So why should I go to college? > > Regards, > > George Toft > > On 7/7/2023 2:39 PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > :So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved the job > more than you since they would do the same work for less money? Also, why > would an American be better at the job than someone from anywhere else? Or > are you saying you are better than most of your peers in general, you're > part of the 20% of your profession who generate 80% of the value. I mean > the competition to get into a third-world government university is fierce, > especially if it's ranked. The selectivity of admission rates match MIT > and Stanford, theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a > population should outperform their European, and even more their American > competition. > > On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors Degrees >> willing to work for minimum wage. >> >> Case in point. My employer is required to post HR crap in the public >> spaces (break rooms). One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy was >> providing a DBA for $66K/year. Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the >> resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr). My kids make more than that >> with a High School education. This is what the young people are >> competing against, so why go into this field? >> >> Another case in point. My job got outsourced to Argentina and the >> resources were getting $6/hr. I later heard it got raised to $10/hr. >> That was still 1/4 of what I was making. Even if the Argentinians >> screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50% over >> hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost savings. >> >> Regards, >> >> George Toft >> >> On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> > On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's >> >> just someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll >> >> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs >> >> get all the people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at >> >> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of >> >> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that worked >> >> with professionals. Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview >> >> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough >> >> workers. At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to drive down >> >> labor costs. And with the halts for new housing going out, there is a >> >> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market. >> >> >> >> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass. >> > >> > Are you getting too paranoid? Maybe not. I quit following the news >> > because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and working on >> > the real problems. >> > >> > I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think they are >> > necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then why is >> > there not a few major tech universities? Why does Gates exploit the >> > H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do the >> > politicians allow all of this? >> > >> > We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we not do >> > things that benefit ourselves and possibly others? >> > >> > These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten where >> > they came from. >> > >> > QUESTION? >> > >> > I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located >> > in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for that >> > technology? > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that >> >>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John >> >>> Wilkes Booth. >> >>> >> >>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a >> >>>> sweatshop.... >> >>>> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> >> James McPhee >> >> jmcphe@gmail.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >