:So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved the job
more than you since they would do the same work for less money? Also, why
would an American be better at the job than someone from anywhere else? Or
are you saying you are better than most of your peers in general, you're
part of the 20% of your profession who generate 80% of the value. I mean
the competition to get into a third-world government university is fierce,
especially if it's ranked. The selectivity of admission rates match MIT
and Stanford, theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a
population should outperform their European, and even more their American
competition.
On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors Degrees
> willing to work for minimum wage.
>
> Case in point. My employer is required to post HR crap in the public
> spaces (break rooms). One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy was
> providing a DBA for $66K/year. Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the
> resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr). My kids make more than that
> with a High School education. This is what the young people are
> competing against, so why go into this field?
>
> Another case in point. My job got outsourced to Argentina and the
> resources were getting $6/hr. I later heard it got raised to $10/hr.
> That was still 1/4 of what I was making. Even if the Argentinians
> screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50% over
> hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost savings.
>
> Regards,
>
> George Toft
>
> On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
> >> just someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll
> >> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs
> >> get all the people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at
> >> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of
> >> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that worked
> >> with professionals. Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview
> >> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough
> >> workers. At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to drive down
> >> labor costs. And with the halts for new housing going out, there is a
> >> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market.
> >>
> >> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass.
> >
> > Are you getting too paranoid? Maybe not. I quit following the news
> > because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and working on
> > the real problems.
> >
> > I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think they are
> > necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then why is
> > there not a few major tech universities? Why does Gates exploit the
> > H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do the
> > politicians allow all of this?
> >
> > We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we not do
> > things that benefit ourselves and possibly others?
> >
> > These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten where
> > they came from.
> >
> > QUESTION?
> >
> > I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is located
> > in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for that
> > technology?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss
> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that
> >>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John
> >>> Wilkes Booth.
> >>>
> >>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
> >>>> sweatshop....
> >>>>
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