Well, this was an interesting thread.
I would like to chime in here for a moment.
While I have not experienced unwanted sexually advances by anyone at PLUG
in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias, definitely.
Some people may not experience this gender bias because, well frankly, we
are unsure of your gender...
All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a little more
thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes.
I have a mailing list for the Maricopa Pinal County LUG.
http://list.mpglug.org/mailman/listinfo/mpglug_list.mpglug.org
Let's make some positive efforts in this community.
There are alternatives to this situation.
:)
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Lyle Tuttle <
l.tuttle@cox.net> wrote:
> Gee Lisa, I'm not sure I understand all of this, but at least it written
> in English!!
>
> At 08:22 AM 11/30/2014, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
> Hans/(All),
>
> PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is going to
> have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via schedule
> removal a healthy regular popular venue.Â
>
> PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") Â is going to have to reference when those rules
> were published and when they were delivered to me.Â
>
> EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not
> allow:
>
> 1) Specific wording in announcements.
> 2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content.
> 3) Presentation postings.
>
> Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own
> websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include:
>
> Ryan Rix
> Alan Dayley
> Joseph Sinclair
> Brian Cluff
> Alexander Henry
>
> The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with other
> cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los Angeles and
> Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG can be. Â
>
> Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars each
> year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like Installfest
> without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 rider under
> another PLUG to allow income tax relief.
>
> Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and
> issues:
>
> <http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html
>
> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and
> venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools
> (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct teacher]) are
> obvious.
>
> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year successful
> event like the HackFest is HUGE.
>
> I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want
> support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove
> "Presidential dictatorship") Â with a long laundry list of reasons from
> sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger to
> women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during public
> community events [which I have experienced twice myself]) Â to outright
> misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local businesses] and
> PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project ABLEConf) as well as
> inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa Community College during
> "OpenSource" community venues.
>
> I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities, but
> "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live in threat
> of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle relationships" (or make
> decisions like drop a healthy venue without written rules or warning) is
> nothing more than a "GANG" and is destined to die.
>
> 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from the
> calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not called
> or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and active interns have
> been historically very changeable and this could be easily arranged at
> DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck.
> Â Â
> 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more than
> one mailing list with the same content is disallowed? Â It is not on any
> of the mailing list phxlinux.org pages? Â
>
> 3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any
> PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day? Is
> that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH]
>
> I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released in
> the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will happily
> leave the phxlinux.org and PLUG name out of that code.
>
> Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the
> mailing lists. Â
>
> Happy ThanksGiving
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
>
> Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:
>
> moin moin Lisa,
>
> I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd Saturday of
> every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar?
>
>
> You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your own web
> site and mailing list for your group.
>
> Â
>
> You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop
> cross-posting to multiple lists.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
>
> Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students from ITT
> and
> strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra credit to their
> security students for attendance.
>
> DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is actually
> used in context with student related open source activities) at OneNeck
> which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN server, Security
> Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration purposes, all of
> which has been built entirely with community contributed assets and intern
> effort. We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use, promotional
> tee
> shirts and shared DefCon videos each year.
>
> We have a large following of local security professionals, with visits from
> University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the Army and
> GoDaddy staff.
>
> I have received no notice related to any new requirements or change?
>
> I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list since 2008
> and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements?
>
> Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the PLUG Schedule.
>
> 2nd Saturday of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM.
> DeVry University
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> #Â http://www.LuftHans.com/Â Â Â Â http://www.PhxLinux.org/
> <http://www.phxlinux.org/>
> #Â A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The
> #Â login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is like
> #Â a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from AOHell :).
>
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