Well, this was an interesting thread. I would like to chime in here for a moment. While I have not experienced unwanted sexually advances by anyone at PLUG in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias, definitely. Some people may not experience this gender bias because, well frankly, we are unsure of your gender... All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a little more thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes. I have a mailing list for the Maricopa Pinal County LUG. http://list.mpglug.org/mailman/listinfo/mpglug_list.mpglug.org Let's make some positive efforts in this community. There are alternatives to this situation. :) On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Lyle Tuttle wrote: > Gee Lisa, I'm not sure I understand all of this, but at least it written > in English!! > > At 08:22 AM 11/30/2014, Lisa Kachold wrote: > > Hans/(All), > > PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is going to > have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via schedule > removal a healthy regular popular venue. > > PLUG (aka Hans "Luft")  is going to have to reference when those rules > were published and when they were delivered to me. > > EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not > allow: > > 1) Specific wording in announcements. > 2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content. > 3) Presentation postings. > > Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own > websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include: > > Ryan Rix > Alan Dayley > Joseph Sinclair > Brian Cluff > Alexander Henry > > The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with other > cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los Angeles and > Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG can be.  > > Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars each > year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like Installfest > without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 rider under > another PLUG to allow income tax relief. > > Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and > issues: > > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html > > The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and > venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools > (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct teacher]) are > obvious. > > The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year successful > event like the HackFest is HUGE. > > I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want > support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove > "Presidential dictatorship")  with a long laundry list of reasons from > sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger to > women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during public > community events [which I have experienced twice myself])  to outright > misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local businesses] and > PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project ABLEConf) as well as > inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa Community College during > "OpenSource" community venues. > > I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities, but > "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live in threat > of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle relationships" (or make > decisions like drop a healthy venue without written rules or warning) is > nothing more than a "GANG" and is destined to die. > > 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from the > calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not called > or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and active interns have > been historically very changeable and this could be easily arranged at > DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck. >   > 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more than > one mailing list with the same content is disallowed?  It is not on any > of the mailing list phxlinux.org pages?  > > 3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any > PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day? Is > that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH] > > I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released in > the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will happily > leave the phxlinux.org and PLUG name out of that code. > > Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the > mailing lists.  > > Happy ThanksGiving > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans wrote: > > Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so: > > moin moin Lisa, > > I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd Saturday of > every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar? > > > You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your own web > site and mailing list for your group. > >  > > You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop > cross-posting to multiple lists. > > ciao, > > der.hans > > > Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students from ITT > and > strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra credit to their > security students for attendance. > > DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is actually > used in context with student related open source activities) at OneNeck > which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN server, Security > Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration purposes, all of > which has been built entirely with community contributed assets and intern > effort. We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use, promotional > tee > shirts and shared DefCon videos each year. > > We have a large following of local security professionals, with visits from > University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the Army and > GoDaddy staff. > > I have received no notice related to any new requirements or change? > > I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list since 2008 > and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements? > > Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the PLUG Schedule. > > 2nd Saturday of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM. > DeVry University > > Thanks > > > -- > # http://www.LuftHans.com/    http://www.PhxLinux.org/ > > # A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The > # login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is like > # a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from AOHell :). > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >