Well, this was an interesting thread.
I would like to chime in here for a moment.

While I have not experienced unwanted sexually advances by anyone at PLUG in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias, definitely.

Some people may not experience this gender bias because, well frankly, we are unsure of your gender...

All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a little more thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes.

I have a mailing list for the Maricopa Pinal County LUG.
http://list.mpglug.org/mailman/listinfo/mpglug_list.mpglug.org

Let's make some positive efforts in this community.

There are alternatives to this situation.
:)


On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Lyle Tuttle <l.tuttle@cox.net> wrote:
Gee Lisa, I'm not sure I understand all of this, but at least it written in English!!

At 08:22 AM 11/30/2014, Lisa Kachold wrote:
Hans/(All),

PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is going to have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via schedule removal a healthy regular popular venue.Â

PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") Â is going to have to reference when those rules were published and when they were delivered to me.Â

EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not allow:

1) Specific wording in announcements.
2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content.
3) Presentation postings.

Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include:

Ryan Rix
Alan Dayley
Joseph Sinclair
Brian Cluff
Alexander Henry

 The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with other cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los Angeles and Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG can be. Â

Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars each year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like Installfest without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 rider under another PLUG to allow income tax relief.

Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and issues:

 http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html

http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html

http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html

http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html

The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct teacher]) are obvious.

The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year successful event like the HackFest is HUGE.

 I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove "Presidential dictatorship") Â with a long laundry list of reasons from sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger to women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during public community events [which I have experienced twice myself]) Â to outright misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local businesses] and PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project ABLEConf) as well as inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa Community College during "OpenSource" community venues.

I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities, but "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live in threat of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle relationships" (or make decisions like drop a healthy venue without written rules or warning) is nothing more than a "GANG" and is destined to die.

 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from the calendar was made?  If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not called or allowed to reschedule?  Our security community and active interns have been historically very changeable and this could be easily arranged at DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck.
 Â
2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more than one mailing list with the same content is disallowed?   It is not on any of the mailing list phxlinux.org pages? Â

3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day?  Is that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH]

I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released in the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will happily leave the phxlinux.org and PLUG name out of that code.

 Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the mailing lists. Â

Happy ThanksGiving

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:

moin moin Lisa,

I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd Saturday of
every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar?


You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your own web
site and mailing list for your group.

Â

You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop
cross-posting to multiple lists.

ciao,

der.hans


Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students from ITT and
strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra credit to their
security students for attendance.

DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is actually
used in context with student related open source activities) at OneNeck
which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN server, Security
Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration purposes, all of
which has been built entirely with community contributed assets and intern
effort.  We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use, promotional tee
shirts and shared DefCon videos each year.

We have a large following of local security professionals, with visits from
University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the Army and
GoDaddy staff.

I have received no notice related to any new requirements or change?

I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list since 2008
and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements?

Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the PLUG Schedule.

2nd Saturday  of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM.
DeVry University

Thanks


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#  a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from AOHell :).



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