> Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered
> with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also.
> On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" <michael@butash.net> wrote:
>
>> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a
>> 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run
>> decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps).
>> Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient
>> still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.
>>
>> I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs
>> a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and
>> you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they
>> didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$
>> side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app
>> sans windoze necessity.
>>
>> Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces
>> and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure
>> for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or
>> anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being
>> perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of
>> av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.
>>
>> Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps
>> over the years.
>>
>> Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something
>> like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now
>> I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client
>> simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save
>> from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio,
>> assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> It will run on 1 but 2 is better.
>>>
>>> And 2 cores are best vs 1
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
>>> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net
>>> <mailto:michael@butash.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
>>> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
>>> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
>>> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
>>> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
>>> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
>>> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
>>> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
>>> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
>>> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.
>>>
>>> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
>>> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
>>> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
>>> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
>>> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
>>> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
>>> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;)
>>>
>>> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
>>> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
>>> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
>>> windoze users.
>>>
>>> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
>>> but the
>>> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
>>> This is what
>>> they said (in part):
>>>
>>> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
>>> Open Office for
>>> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
>>> also have
>>> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
>>> those online
>>> apps.
>>>
>>> As long as you can view the following types of files you
>>> should be able
>>> to access most anything in the courses:
>>>
>>> * Video
>>> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
>>> * Word Processing
>>> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for
>>> .docx)
>>> * PowerPoint
>>> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for
>>> .pptx)
>>> * PDF
>>> * Excel
>>> o occasionally .xlst, .xls
>>> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
>>> you are
>>>
>>> welcome to try others)
>>>
>>> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
>>> specifically to
>>> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
>>> want to take
>>> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
>>> based
>>> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
>>> you into the
>>> section (different instructors) where you will not be
>>> required to use MS
>>> Office.
>>> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
>>> <Harold.Wong@microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**
>>> com <Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>
>>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**__com
>>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**com<Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
>>> to run a
>>> specific OS. With that said, if you really need
>>> Windows 7 for
>>> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
>>> OS, I would
>>> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
>>> simpler.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>>
>>> Harold Wong
>>> Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US
>>> Developer & Platform
>>> Evangelism - West Region
>>> Office: (425) 706-3501 <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501>
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>>> >
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>>> >>
>>>
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>>> Of *Adam McCullough
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM
>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have
>>> a hard time
>>> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>>
>>> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
>>> best. I'm
>>> pretty sure Windows protects against that.
>>> Licensing/piracy reasons.____
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
>>> <bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>>
>>> wrote:____
>>>
>>>
>>> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
>>> a University
>>> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
>>> isn't so in
>>> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____
>>>
>>>
>>> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen
>>> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>*
>>> *>
>>> wrote:____
>>>
>>>
>>> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
>>> drive that has
>>> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
>>> space it will
>>> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
>>> reconfigure it.
>>> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
>>> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>*
>>> *>
>>> wrote:
>>> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive
>>> then you can
>>> > have it pristine and configure grub...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
>>> <bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do
>>> you do
>>> it w/o
>>> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
>>> I also
>>> need to
>>> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
>>> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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