with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also.
> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a
> 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run
> decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps).
> Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient
> still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.
>
> I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs a
> win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and
> you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they
> didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$
> side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app
> sans windoze necessity.
>
> Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces
> and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure
> for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or
> anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being
> perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of
> av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.
>
> Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps
> over the years.
>
> Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something like
> this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now I've
> been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client
> simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save
> from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio,
> assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
>
>> It will run on 1 but 2 is better.
>>
>> And 2 cores are best vs 1
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1@gmail.com
>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
>> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net
>> <mailto:michael@butash.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
>> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
>> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
>> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
>> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
>> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
>> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
>> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
>> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
>> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.
>>
>> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
>> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
>> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
>> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
>> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
>> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
>> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;)
>>
>> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
>> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
>> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
>> windoze users.
>>
>> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
>> but the
>> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
>> This is what
>> they said (in part):
>>
>> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
>> Open Office for
>> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
>> also have
>> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
>> those online
>> apps.
>>
>> As long as you can view the following types of files you
>> should be able
>> to access most anything in the courses:
>>
>> * Video
>> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
>> * Word Processing
>> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx)
>> * PowerPoint
>> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx)
>> * PDF
>> * Excel
>> o occasionally .xlst, .xls
>> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
>> you are
>>
>> welcome to try others)
>>
>> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
>> specifically to
>> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
>> want to take
>> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
>> based
>> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
>> you into the
>> section (different instructors) where you will not be
>> required to use MS
>> Office.
>> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
>> <Harold.Wong@microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**
>> com <Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>
>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**__com
>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**com<Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
>> to run a
>> specific OS. With that said, if you really need
>> Windows 7 for
>> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
>> OS, I would
>> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
>> simpler.____
>>
>> __ __
>>
>>
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>> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____
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>> a hard time
>> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____
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>>
>> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
>> best. I'm
>> pretty sure Windows protects against that.
>> Licensing/piracy reasons.____
>>
>>
>> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
>> <bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>>
>> wrote:____
>>
>>
>> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
>> a University
>> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
>> isn't so in
>> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____
>>
>>
>> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:____
>>
>>
>>
>> ____
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen
>> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>**
>> >
>> wrote:____
>>
>>
>> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
>> drive that has
>> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
>> space it will
>> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
>> reconfigure it.
>> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
>> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>**
>> >
>> wrote:
>> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive
>> then you can
>> > have it pristine and configure grub...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
>> <bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do
>> you do
>> it w/o
>> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
>> I also
>> need to
>> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
>> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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