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Author: Michael Butash
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Subject: Re: ot Online school
Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a
64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run
decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps).
Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient
still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.

I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs
a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode,
and you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish
they didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and
M$ side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my
windoze-app sans windoze necessity.

Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces
and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from
exposure for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual
browsing or anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep
it from being perpetually infected like most other users I see without
the necessity of av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.

Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps
over the years.

Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something
like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps
now I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid
client simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay
to save from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use
visio, assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...

-mb


On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
> It will run on 1 but 2 is better.
>
> And 2 cores are best vs 1
>
> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <
> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
>     memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
>     :-)~MIKE~(-:

>
>
>     On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <
>     <mailto:michael@butash.net>> wrote:

>
>         Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
>         customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
>         xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
>         sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
>         openoffice.  Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
>         as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
>         continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
>         (can't blame them either).  Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
>         people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
>         every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.

>
>         I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
>         generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
>         clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
>         to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
>         compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
>         finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
>         significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred.  ;)

>
>         Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
>         incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
>         so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
>         windoze users.

>
>         Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.

>
>         -mb

>
>
>
>         On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

>
>             Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
>               but the
>             university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
>             This is what
>             they said (in part):

>
>             Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
>             Open Office for
>             Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
>             also have
>             Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
>             those online
>             apps.

>
>             As long as you can view the following types of files you
>             should be able
>             to access most anything in the courses:

>
>                * Video
>                    o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
>                * Word Processing
>                    o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx)
>                * PowerPoint
>                    o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx)
>                * PDF
>                * Excel
>                    o occasionally .xlst, .xls
>                * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
>             you are

>
>                  welcome to try others)

>
>             As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
>             specifically to
>             a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
>             want to take
>             that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
>             based
>             interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
>             you into the
>             section (different instructors) where you will not be
>             required to use MS
>             Office.
>             SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
>             :-)~MIKE~(-:

>
>
>             On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
>             < <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>
>             <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.__com
>             <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>> wrote:

>
>                  I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
>             to run a
>                  specific OS.  With that said, if you really need
>             Windows 7 for
>                  school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
>             OS, I would
>                  recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
>             simpler.____

>
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>             <http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong>>

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>                  *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM
>                  *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>                  *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____

>
>                  __ __

>
>
>                  Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have
>             a hard time
>                  finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____

>
>                  __ __

>
>
>                  Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
>             best. I'm
>                  pretty sure Windows protects against that.
>             Licensing/piracy reasons.____

>
>
>                  On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
>             < <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>             <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:____

>
>
>                  they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
>             a University
>                  now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
>             isn't so in
>                  bed with MS. UMN is  not in bed with em.____

>
>
>                  or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
>                  :-)~MIKE~(-:____

>
>
>
>                  ____

>
>
>                  On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen
>             < <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>             <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>>
>             wrote:____

>
>
>                  the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
>             drive that has
>                  Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
>             space it will
>                  overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
>             reconfigure it.
>                  alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____

>
>
>
>
>                  On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
>             < <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>             <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>>
>             wrote:
>              > well personally if you can just install to a new drive
>             then you can
>              > have it pristine and configure grub...
>              >

>              >
>              > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
>             < <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>             <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>              >> I need to put 7  back on my computer for school. How do
>             you do
>                  it w/o
>              >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
>             I also
>                  need to
>              >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
>              >> :-)~MIKE~(-:

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