On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Stephen <cryptworks@gmail.com> wrote:

Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also.

On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" <michael@butash.net> wrote:
Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps). Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.

I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$ side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app sans windoze necessity.

Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.

Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps over the years.

Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio, assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...

-mb

On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:

It will run on 1 but 2 is better.

And 2 cores are best vs 1

On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1@gmail.com
<mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>> wrote:

virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net
<mailto:michael@butash.net>> wrote:

Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
(can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.

I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;)

Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
windoze users.

Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.

-mb

On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
but the
university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
This is what
they said (in part):

Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
Open Office for
Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
also have
Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
those online
apps.

As long as you can view the following types of files you
should be able
to access most anything in the courses:

* Video
o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
* Word Processing
o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx)
* PowerPoint
o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx)
* PDF
* Excel
o occasionally .xlst, .xls
* Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
you are

welcome to try others)

As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
specifically to
a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
want to take
that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
based
interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
you into the
section (different instructors) where you will not be
required to use MS
Office.
SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
<Harold.Wong@microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>
<mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.__com
<mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>> wrote:

I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
to run a
specific OS. With that said, if you really need
Windows 7 for
school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
OS, I would
recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
simpler.____

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Developer & Platform
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<http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong>>

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finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____

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Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
best. I'm
pretty sure Windows protects against that.
Licensing/piracy reasons.____

On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
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<mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:____

they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
a University
now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
isn't so in
bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____

or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
:-)~MIKE~(-:____

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<mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>>
wrote:____

the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
drive that has
Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
space it will
overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
reconfigure it.
alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
<cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
<mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>>
wrote:
> well personally if you can just install to a new drive
then you can
> have it pristine and configure grub...
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
<bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
<mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do
you do
it w/o
>> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
I also
need to
>> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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