I'll look at sky drive. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Stephen wrote: > Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered > with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also. > On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" wrote: > >> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a >> 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run >> decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps). >> Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient >> still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable. >> >> I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs >> a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and >> you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they >> didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$ >> side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app >> sans windoze necessity. >> >> Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces >> and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure >> for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or >> anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being >> perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of >> av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze. >> >> Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps >> over the years. >> >> Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something >> like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now >> I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client >> simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save >> from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio, >> assuming Onlive fixes their damn client... >> >> -mb >> >> >> On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote: >> >>> It will run on 1 but 2 is better. >>> >>> And 2 cores are best vs 1 >>> >>> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" >> > wrote: >>> >>> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum >>> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7) >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash >> > wrote: >>> >>> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with >>> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or >>> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works >>> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes >>> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats, >>> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's >>> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose >>> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most >>> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to >>> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop. >>> >>> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times, >>> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for >>> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have* >>> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03 >>> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found >>> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows >>> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;) >>> >>> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly >>> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice, >>> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to >>> windoze users. >>> >>> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft. >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote: >>> >>> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well. >>> but the >>> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me. >>> This is what >>> they said (in part): >>> >>> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle. >>> Open Office for >>> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We >>> also have >>> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use >>> those online >>> apps. >>> >>> As long as you can view the following types of files you >>> should be able >>> to access most anything in the courses: >>> >>> * Video >>> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf), >>> * Word Processing >>> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for >>> .docx) >>> * PowerPoint >>> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for >>> .pptx) >>> * PDF >>> * Excel >>> o occasionally .xlst, .xls >>> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices, >>> you are >>> >>> welcome to try others) >>> >>> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared >>> specifically to >>> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you >>> want to take >>> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows >>> based >>> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get >>> you into the >>> section (different instructors) where you will not be >>> required to use MS >>> Office. >>> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree! >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong >>> >> com > >>> >> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you >>> to run a >>> specific OS. With that said, if you really need >>> Windows 7 for >>> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main >>> OS, I would >>> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much >>> simpler.____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> >>> Harold Wong >>> Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US >>> Developer & Platform >>> Evangelism - West Region >>> Office: (425) 706-3501 >>> | Blog: >>> blogs.technet.com/haroldwong >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> MCITP Server Administrator | MCITP Enterprise >>> Administrator | MCITP >>> Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2007 / 2010 | >>> VCP5____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> *From:*plug-discuss-bounces@__** >>> lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_ >>> lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> >> >>] >>> *On >>> Behalf >>> Of *Adam McCullough >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM >>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> >>> Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have >>> a hard time >>> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____ >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> >>> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at >>> best. I'm >>> pretty sure Windows protects against that. >>> Licensing/piracy reasons.____ >>> >>> >>> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens >>> >>> >> >>> wrote:____ >>> >>> >>> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for >>> a University >>> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that >>> isn't so in >>> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____ >>> >>> >>> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD? >>> :-)~MIKE~(-:____ >>> >>> >>> >>> ____ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen >>> >>> >* >>> *> >>> wrote:____ >>> >>> >>> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the >>> drive that has >>> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make >>> space it will >>> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and >>> reconfigure it. >>> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen >>> >>> >* >>> *> >>> wrote: >>> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive >>> then you can >>> > have it pristine and configure grub... >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens >>> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do >>> you do >>> it w/o >>> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition). >>> I also >>> need to >>> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7? >>> >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>> settings: >>> >> >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__ >>> **discuss >>> >> discuss > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >>> prevent you >>> from >>> > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the >>> snooze button. >>> > >>> > Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >>> prevent you from >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the >>> snooze button. >>> >>> Stephen >>> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>> settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__ >>> **discuss____ >>> >> discuss____ >>> > >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>> settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__ >>> **discuss____ >>> >> discuss____ >>> > >>> >>> __ __ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>> settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__ >>> **discuss >>> >> discuss > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__ >>> **discuss >>> >> discuss > >>> >>> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__**discuss >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>> >>> > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**--------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss >>> >> ------------------------------**--------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >