that won't work. need windows.
> I'll look at sky drive.
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
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> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Stephen <cryptworks@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered
>> with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also.
>> On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" <michael@butash.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a
>>> 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run
>>> decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps).
>>> Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient
>>> still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable.
>>>
>>> I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs
>>> a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and
>>> you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they
>>> didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$
>>> side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app
>>> sans windoze necessity.
>>>
>>> Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces
>>> and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure
>>> for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or
>>> anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being
>>> perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of
>>> av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze.
>>>
>>> Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps
>>> over the years.
>>>
>>> Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something
>>> like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now
>>> I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client
>>> simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save
>>> from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio,
>>> assuming Onlive fixes their damn client...
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> It will run on 1 but 2 is better.
>>>>
>>>> And 2 cores are best vs 1
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum
>>>> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7)
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net
>>>> <mailto:michael@butash.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with
>>>> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or
>>>> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works
>>>> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes
>>>> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats,
>>>> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's
>>>> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose
>>>> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most
>>>> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to
>>>> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop.
>>>>
>>>> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times,
>>>> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for
>>>> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have*
>>>> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03
>>>> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found
>>>> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows
>>>> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly
>>>> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice,
>>>> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to
>>>> windoze users.
>>>>
>>>> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well.
>>>> but the
>>>> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me.
>>>> This is what
>>>> they said (in part):
>>>>
>>>> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle.
>>>> Open Office for
>>>> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We
>>>> also have
>>>> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use
>>>> those online
>>>> apps.
>>>>
>>>> As long as you can view the following types of files you
>>>> should be able
>>>> to access most anything in the courses:
>>>>
>>>> * Video
>>>> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf),
>>>> * Word Processing
>>>> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for
>>>> .docx)
>>>> * PowerPoint
>>>> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for
>>>> .pptx)
>>>> * PDF
>>>> * Excel
>>>> o occasionally .xlst, .xls
>>>> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices,
>>>> you are
>>>>
>>>> welcome to try others)
>>>>
>>>> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared
>>>> specifically to
>>>> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you
>>>> want to take
>>>> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows
>>>> based
>>>> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get
>>>> you into the
>>>> section (different instructors) where you will not be
>>>> required to use MS
>>>> Office.
>>>> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree!
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong
>>>> <Harold.Wong@microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**
>>>> com <Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>
>>>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**__com
>>>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**com<Harold.Wong@microsoft.com>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you
>>>> to run a
>>>> specific OS. With that said, if you really need
>>>> Windows 7 for
>>>> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main
>>>> OS, I would
>>>> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much
>>>> simpler.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US
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>>>> Evangelism - West Region
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>>>> >
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>>>> >>
>>>>
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>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____
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>>>>
>>>> Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have
>>>> a hard time
>>>> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at
>>>> best. I'm
>>>> pretty sure Windows protects against that.
>>>> Licensing/piracy reasons.____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens
>>>> <bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for
>>>> a University
>>>> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that
>>>> isn't so in
>>>> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD?
>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen
>>>> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>
>>>> **>
>>>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the
>>>> drive that has
>>>> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make
>>>> space it will
>>>> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and
>>>> reconfigure it.
>>>> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen
>>>> <cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com <mailto:cryptworks@gmail.com>>
>>>> **>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive
>>>> then you can
>>>> > have it pristine and configure grub...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens
>>>> <bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com <mailto:bmike1@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do
>>>> you do
>>>> it w/o
>>>> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition).
>>>> I also
>>>> need to
>>>> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7?
>>>> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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>>>> prevent you
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