DSL CAN be slow...if the 'other end' is swamped. Take 'news' around 8 am when all the offices open for programers/etc. They seemingly all check 'the news' about the same time. Same for yahoomail. But when I access something else that isn't 'popular', then zoom, it comes in at the subscribed rate!
73
Ed/ke7feg ....Now that November is here, April can wait!
On 2/23/2007 the morse code requirement was dropped for getting
a ham license. Now just pass the written exams which are on the
web at arrl.org for questions and
http://www.kb0mga.net/exams/
--- On Thu, 1/29/09, Eric Shubert <
ejs@shubes.net> wrote:
> From: Eric Shubert <ejs@shubes.net>
> Subject: Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:34 AM
> I think the problem Cox is trying to address is inherent in
> their
> technology, namely that customers share bandwidth. DSL
> doesn't have this
> issue (DSL has finer grained control). That's my
> understanding at any rate.
>
> Sharkscott wrote:
> > I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download
> THAT much, but why
> > 'pay' for when its someone else watching a
> thousand videos at once that
> > is causing the network slowdown..
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Eric Shubert
> <ejs@shubes.net
> > <mailto:ejs@shubes.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Nicely said. I agree.
> >
> > kitepilot@kitepilot.com
> <mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote:
> > > I think that this is being taken out of
> context...
> > > I manage a small wireless network with
> around a hundred victims...
> > > er...
> > > CUSTOMERS! :)
> > >
> > > Being a wireless network, we face challenges
> that wired networks
> > don care
> > > about, and when the traffic spikes, we have
> to "manage".
> > >
> > > Let me state in here that we don't do
> false advertising (in fact
> > most of our
> > > customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain
> people that we
> > "shape" the
> > > line.
> > >
> > > I am not defending Cox and I don't know
> what they are doing, but
> > having seen
> > > how "journalists" makeup overblown
> aviation news for the sake of
> > "yellowish
> > > journalism" (or sometimes blatant
> ignorance of the subject and
> > laziness to
> > > get informed), I don't have any doubt
> that they will grab a few
> > words from a
> > > manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to
> type away something that
> > > "sells"...
> > > Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't
> sell very well...
> > >
> > > With that said, and after donning my
> asbestos suit, I want to
> > change one
> > > word that probably got misplaced here:
> Throttle.
> > >
> > > For all I know (not much indeed), and from
> what I gather from the
> > obvious
> > > ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing
> new after I see how
> > they convey
> > > aviation "news") Cox is not doing
> "Throttling", Cox is doing
> > "Shaping".
> > >
> > > You cannot run a network pipe without some
> kind of management, or
> > everything
> > > is going to go Hell.
> > >
> > > The way this is done, is by inspecting
> packets to determine priority.
> > > VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP
> packets will be sent after.
> > > Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer.
> > > Latency will kill a VoIP connection.
> > > At the expense or extending the FTP
> connection a few seconds.
> > >
> > > This is not unfair, this is necessary,
> albeit unpopular...
> > >
> > > And IS NOT TRIVIAL.
> > > In fact, it is complex enough when you can
> inspect the packets,
> > never mind
> > > if you are dealing with an encrypted
> connection...
> > >
> > > Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P
> in "my valley", I do
> > severe or
> > > throttle the outbound connections when they
> become a burden for
> > the network.
> > > Most of the network is used by rural people
> that simply doesn't
> > have other
> > > options.
> > >
> > > I can't just tell them that they
> can't use Internet just because
> > Joe Hacker
> > > downloaded the latest hacked motion picture
> and 37 thousand
> > hackers over the
> > > World are banging in the line THEY (my
> customers) PAY FOR! to get
> > their
> > > share...
> > >
> > > It's a limited resource.
> > > I explain that to my people too...
> > >
> > > Finally, please understand that I am not
> defending Cox.
> > > But I believe that the whole discussion is
> falling down the wrong
> > path.
> > > Enrique
> > >
> > > PS: Who knows here about shaping?
> > > I need help... :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen P Rufle writes:
> > >
> > >>
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars
> > >>
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