If my info is right, your right. ;-) For cox it only goes down to the node,
half a street or a whole or half a apartment complexes..I think..
Scott
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Eric Shubert <
ejs@shubes.net> wrote:
> I think the problem Cox is trying to address is inherent in their
> technology, namely that customers share bandwidth. DSL doesn't have this
> issue (DSL has finer grained control). That's my understanding at any rate.
>
> Sharkscott wrote:
> > I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download THAT much, but why
> > 'pay' for when its someone else watching a thousand videos at once that
> > is causing the network slowdown..
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Eric Shubert <ejs@shubes.net
> > <mailto:ejs@shubes.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Nicely said. I agree.
> >
> > kitepilot@kitepilot.com <mailto:kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote:
> > > I think that this is being taken out of context...
> > > I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims...
> > > er...
> > > CUSTOMERS! :)
> > >
> > > Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks
> > don care
> > > about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage".
> > >
> > > Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact
> > most of our
> > > customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we
> > "shape" the
> > > line.
> > >
> > > I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but
> > having seen
> > > how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of
> > "yellowish
> > > journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and
> > laziness to
> > > get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few
> > words from a
> > > manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something
> that
> > > "sells"...
> > > Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well...
> > >
> > > With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to
> > change one
> > > word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle.
> > >
> > > For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the
> > obvious
> > > ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how
> > they convey
> > > aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing
> > "Shaping".
> > >
> > > You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or
> > everything
> > > is going to go Hell.
> > >
> > > The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine
> priority.
> > > VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after.
> > > Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer.
> > > Latency will kill a VoIP connection.
> > > At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds.
> > >
> > > This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular...
> > >
> > > And IS NOT TRIVIAL.
> > > In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets,
> > never mind
> > > if you are dealing with an encrypted connection...
> > >
> > > Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do
> > severe or
> > > throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for
> > the network.
> > > Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't
> > have other
> > > options.
> > >
> > > I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because
> > Joe Hacker
> > > downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand
> > hackers over the
> > > World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get
> > their
> > > share...
> > >
> > > It's a limited resource.
> > > I explain that to my people too...
> > >
> > > Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox.
> > > But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong
> > path.
> > > Enrique
> > >
> > > PS: Who knows here about shaping?
> > > I need help... :(
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen P Rufle writes:
> > >
> > >>
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars
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