DSL CAN be slow...if the 'other end' is swamped. Take 'news' around 8 am when all the offices open for programers/etc. They seemingly all check 'the news' about the same time. Same for yahoomail. But when I access something else that isn't 'popular', then zoom, it comes in at the subscribed rate! 73 Ed/ke7feg ....Now that November is here, April can wait! On 2/23/2007 the morse code requirement was dropped for getting a ham license. Now just pass the written exams which are on the web at arrl.org for questions and http://www.kb0mga.net/exams/ --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Eric Shubert wrote: > From: Eric Shubert > Subject: Re: [Article] Cox ready to throttle P2P, non "time sensitive" traffic > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:34 AM > I think the problem Cox is trying to address is inherent in > their > technology, namely that customers share bandwidth. DSL > doesn't have this > issue (DSL has finer grained control). That's my > understanding at any rate. > > Sharkscott wrote: > > I agree Shawn, I like your idea, I don't download > THAT much, but why > > 'pay' for when its someone else watching a > thousand videos at once that > > is causing the network slowdown.. > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Eric Shubert > > > wrote: > > > > Nicely said. I agree. > > > > kitepilot@kitepilot.com > wrote: > > > I think that this is being taken out of > context... > > > I manage a small wireless network with > around a hundred victims... > > > er... > > > CUSTOMERS! :) > > > > > > Being a wireless network, we face challenges > that wired networks > > don care > > > about, and when the traffic spikes, we have > to "manage". > > > > > > Let me state in here that we don't do > false advertising (in fact > > most of our > > > customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain > people that we > > "shape" the > > > line. > > > > > > I am not defending Cox and I don't know > what they are doing, but > > having seen > > > how "journalists" makeup overblown > aviation news for the sake of > > "yellowish > > > journalism" (or sometimes blatant > ignorance of the subject and > > laziness to > > > get informed), I don't have any doubt > that they will grab a few > > words from a > > > manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to > type away something that > > > "sells"... > > > Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't > sell very well... > > > > > > With that said, and after donning my > asbestos suit, I want to > > change one > > > word that probably got misplaced here: > Throttle. > > > > > > For all I know (not much indeed), and from > what I gather from the > > obvious > > > ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing > new after I see how > > they convey > > > aviation "news") Cox is not doing > "Throttling", Cox is doing > > "Shaping". > > > > > > You cannot run a network pipe without some > kind of management, or > > everything > > > is going to go Hell. > > > > > > The way this is done, is by inspecting > packets to determine priority. > > > VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP > packets will be sent after. > > > Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer. > > > Latency will kill a VoIP connection. > > > At the expense or extending the FTP > connection a few seconds. > > > > > > This is not unfair, this is necessary, > albeit unpopular... > > > > > > And IS NOT TRIVIAL. > > > In fact, it is complex enough when you can > inspect the packets, > > never mind > > > if you are dealing with an encrypted > connection... > > > > > > Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P > in "my valley", I do > > severe or > > > throttle the outbound connections when they > become a burden for > > the network. > > > Most of the network is used by rural people > that simply doesn't > > have other > > > options. > > > > > > I can't just tell them that they > can't use Internet just because > > Joe Hacker > > > downloaded the latest hacked motion picture > and 37 thousand > > hackers over the > > > World are banging in the line THEY (my > customers) PAY FOR! to get > > their > > > share... > > > > > > It's a limited resource. > > > I explain that to my people too... > > > > > > Finally, please understand that I am not > defending Cox. > > > But I believe that the whole discussion is > falling down the wrong > > path. > > > Enrique > > > > > > PS: Who knows here about shaping? > > > I need help... :( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen P Rufle writes: > > > > > >> > > > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars > > >> > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change > your mail settings: > > >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > > -Eric 'shubes' > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Scott Ruecker, > > Editor-in-Chief > > LXer Linux News > > > > "The world doesn't need saving. 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