Well said. I was in a union in the 90's. They did nothing for us.
Don't forget AZ is a right to work state. In spite of this I see lots
of folks living in nice houses, driving nice cars, and go to nice
places.
Az does well as a right to work state.
On 2024-04-25 12:19, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> As a software developer of 15 years, I personally would not want a
> union, at least not one in a traditional sense. Additionally, I've
> never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or outdated,
> however my reasoning for not wanting one are:
>
> * I want my salary/benefits to be based on what I personally can
> bring to the table.
>
> * Similarly to #1, if I and/or my team perform better than the rest
> of the company, I want us to be recognized for that _and_ compensated
> appropriately.
>
> * I don't want to start at the bottom of the totem pole at a new
> company because I'm the new guy.
>
> * I don't want to work with people that should have been let go due
> to their performance but are effectively being protected by the union.
>
> * I don't want to be forced to strike because the union is playing
> political games that I don't care about.
>
> There's a time and place for unions; when you're in the top 10% of
> national salaries, you're not in a position to need one.
>
> All that said, I work remotely, for a company that's not based in
> Arizona, and therefore am paid relatively well compared to the local
> Market.
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 11:53 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
>> would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in
>> AZ?
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley
>> <trent.shipley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer
>> scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above
>> unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect
>> of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters
>> and software development options.
>>
>> It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to
>> DESIGN the chips. They do that in NICE places."
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan <gjzegan@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow!
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work
>>> state workers.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via
>>> PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ
>>>
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