LOL - Yha, again it is a matter of convention - I would have a
redundant server with heartbeat so I could care less if the one serve
melted to the ground or if it got replaced in a week. So priority
hardware is not a big deal for me.
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Brian Cluff <
brian@snaptek.com> wrote:
> 2 days!?! I'm talking about standard rack power supplies.. I could have had
> a new power supply in the server in 1/2 hour (if any of them had ever failed
> on me)... and thats if I had walked to the store. I found that I usually
> had to spend that much time making the necessary phone calls to arrange for
> the repair guy or part.
>
> Not having proprietary hardware has always been a big deal for me, mostly
> because of the fact that I have been forced to maintain hardware that didn't
> have any expected lifetime they bought it and expected it to run forever, so
> when it finally did break... I found too often that when I used the
> proprietary stuff that it was usually faster and cheaper to just get a new
> server than it was to try and fix the old one, which just ended up drawing
> out the down time. It would have been preferable to get the old one back up
> and running for a small cost and then be able to switch out to a new server
> on some planned down time.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 08/21/2010 02:25 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
>>
>> I run into the opposite problem - some tight case from unknown
>> manufacturer means you will never find a PSU that fits. With Dell you
>> call and withing 2 days you have one on your desk. As for the price it
>> is never 10 times the cost - some times as high as 2 times, but never
>> 10 times. But then again I have only once had a Dell power supply go
>> out on me. And I have a sample size of several thousand machines and
>> almost 15 years.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Brian Cluff<brian@snaptek.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I personally don't like all the proprietary parts that dell uses, weather
>>> it
>>> makes them easier to work on or not.
>>>
>>> It really doesn't matter in the long run if you need to put a new power
>>> supply into the machine, only to find that Dell is the only one on the
>>> planet that can sell you that power supply and not only will it be a
>>> special
>>> order, but it will cost 10 times what a standard server power supply
>>> costs
>>> that you can get off the shelf.
>>>
>>> Brian Cluff
>>>
>>> On 08/21/2010 01:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is a good point - The only server upgrades I do are hard drives
>>>> and memory - for which Dell is easy. But if you wanted to upgrade the
>>>> raid card, or move into a hotswap backplane or, put in redundant fiber
>>>> channel cards, or even up the cpu's; Dell is more difficult because of
>>>> it's chasy design and limited card slots. Not to mention they get
>>>> additional performance by using specialized parts - so you start to
>>>> think about dell specific cards and that can make comparisons and
>>>> price to performance evaluation more difficult.
>>>>
>>>> So for me - who simply replaces the server every five years and does a
>>>> minor upgrade to it before trickle down, Dell is great - if you do
>>>> more customization then it is not so good.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Kevin Fries<kfries6@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run both Dell and Supermicro and have had good luck with both.
>>>>> If
>>>>> I
>>>>> had my choice, I would select Supermicro because I like the
>>>>> upgradeability
>>>>> over Dell. That being said, I still have two Dell R200's in my lab
>>>>> running
>>>>> ProxmoxVE environment that I use to do product simulations early in the
>>>>> R&D
>>>>> cycle that run great.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you want absolute Linux compatibility... look at System76.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2010 1:37 PM, "Bryan O'Neal"
>>>>> <Bryan.ONeal@theonealandassociates.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to second my vote for Dell - I have had to work on some
>>>>> old SuperMicro machines and it was never pleasant. Dell on the other
>>>>> hand has so many killer tools and so much information and such helpful
>>>>> linux people that I have never had a complaint.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW I can hook you up with my OEM reseller - may get you a better
>>>>> discount, then again it may not. But always purchase as a business
>>>>> from Dell not an individual - I hear the individual support kinda
>>>>> bites and it requires nothing to be a business.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Stephen<cryptworks@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:>
>>>>> I
>>>>> have noticed dell does ...
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