LOL - Yha, again it is a matter of convention - I would have a redundant server with heartbeat so I could care less if the one serve melted to the ground or if it got replaced in a week. So priority hardware is not a big deal for me. On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: > 2 days!?!  I'm talking about standard rack power supplies.. I could have had > a new power supply in the server in 1/2 hour (if any of them had ever failed > on me)... and thats if I had walked to the store.  I found that I usually > had to spend that much time making the necessary phone calls to arrange for > the repair guy or part. > > Not having proprietary hardware has always been a big deal for me, mostly > because of the fact that I have been forced to maintain hardware that didn't > have any expected lifetime they bought it and expected it to run forever, so > when it finally did break... I found too often that when I used the > proprietary stuff that it was usually faster and cheaper to just get a new > server than it was to try and fix the old one, which just ended up drawing > out the down time.  It would have been preferable to get the old one back up > and running for a small cost and then be able to switch out to a new server > on some planned down time. > > Brian Cluff > > On 08/21/2010 02:25 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: >> >> I run into the opposite problem - some tight case from unknown >> manufacturer means you will never find a PSU that fits. With Dell you >> call and withing 2 days you have one on your desk. As for the price it >> is never 10 times the cost - some times as high as 2 times, but never >> 10 times. But then again I have only once had a Dell power supply go >> out on me. And I have a sample size of several thousand machines and >> almost 15 years. >> >> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote: >>> >>> I personally don't like all the proprietary parts that dell uses, weather >>> it >>> makes them easier to work on or not. >>> >>> It really doesn't matter in the long run if you need to put a new power >>> supply into the machine, only to find that Dell is the only one on the >>> planet that can sell you that power supply and not only will it be a >>> special >>> order, but it will cost 10 times what a standard server power supply >>> costs >>> that you can get off the shelf. >>> >>> Brian Cluff >>> >>> On 08/21/2010 01:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote: >>>> >>>> That is a good point - The only server upgrades I do are hard drives >>>> and memory - for which Dell is easy.  But if you wanted to upgrade the >>>> raid card, or move into a hotswap backplane or, put in redundant fiber >>>> channel cards, or even up the cpu's; Dell is more difficult because of >>>> it's chasy design and limited card slots. Not to mention they get >>>> additional performance by using specialized parts - so you start to >>>> think about dell specific cards and that can make comparisons and >>>> price to performance evaluation more difficult. >>>> >>>> So for me - who simply replaces the server every five years and does a >>>> minor upgrade to it before trickle down, Dell is great - if you do >>>> more customization then it is not so good. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Kevin Fries >>>>  wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have run both Dell and Supermicro and have had good luck with both. >>>>>  If >>>>> I >>>>> had my choice, I would select Supermicro because I like the >>>>> upgradeability >>>>> over Dell.  That being said, I still have two Dell R200's in my lab >>>>> running >>>>> ProxmoxVE environment that I use to do product simulations early in the >>>>> R&D >>>>> cycle that run great. >>>>> >>>>> But if you want absolute Linux compatibility... look at System76. >>>>> >>>>> HTH >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 21, 2010 1:37 PM, "Bryan O'Neal" >>>>>    wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would like to second my vote for Dell - I have had to work on some >>>>> old SuperMicro machines and it was never pleasant. Dell on the other >>>>> hand has so many killer tools and so much information and such helpful >>>>> linux people that I have never had a complaint. >>>>> >>>>> BTW I can hook you up with my OEM reseller - may get you a better >>>>> discount, then again it may not. But always purchase as a business >>>>> from Dell not an individual - I hear the individual support kinda >>>>> bites and it requires nothing to be a business. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Stephen >>>>>  wrote:> >>>>>  I >>>>> have noticed dell does ... >>>>> >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>> >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>>>>> ----------------------------------... >>>>> >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss