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Author: Bryan.ONeal@asu.edu
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Subject: Re: OT: Civil Disobedience and Jury Nullification (was Re: DVD Movies on Ubunto)
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>If 60 million people want to skin those bastards, why not?

I could get about sixty people together on short notice. Hmmm maybe a good
lynching is just want we need to shake things up. ;)

>your wife has the right to choose not to work at the place she works.

Oh man, do I know! I tell her this daily!


>I don't see Smith and Wesson stating that I can only shoot their pistols at
>10pm on a Friday night, during a full moon, and only while standing on one
>leg at least 13 miles from any civilized encampment. But, I do see Smith and
>Wesson stating that their warranty is void if I use hollow point bullets or
>"misuse" their product.
>To simply state: A software company has no warranty requirements or
>responsibilities regarding a failure in their software. However, they are
>granted incredible rights of protection for distribution of their software.
>There is no protection to the consumer but there are tons of protections to
>the producer. And *that* is what makes the software field so lucrative. No
>responsibility but 100% protection.


Yes, but if you make a copy of a Smith and Wesson and distribute them, then
you are in violation. As far as no responsibility, have you looked at the
contingent loss notes on Oracles financial statements? They are always being
sued for data loss, some are fraudulent, others are not. But we have come to
expect the computer to blow up, so why should we demand otherwise. Then
again, how many people buy Saturn's for their "safety ratting" with out
actually looking at the safety studies (you are guarantied to looses your legs
in a 40 MPH head on collision in most Saturn's. They have one of the worst
ratings in their class.

>Can I sit there and tell my congressman that? I can certainly try. BUT, since
>I am not buying him dinner at the fanciest restaurant in Phoenix, AZ....I
>won't be heard. I'll receive a form letter and I'll be lucky if my vote is
>even counted in the next election. So, in reality, should I be waiting 50
>years for somebody noble enough to come along to listen to my pleas? Or,
>should I say "fuck the law" and take my chances?


Oddly enough I have had city representatives and state legislature
representatives invite me into their office to discuss issues I have written
them about. And while the letters I get out of McCain's office rarely look
like form letters, I will say I only get one response for every half dozen I
send. Though I think I get email notification that concerns have been noted
(I will have to go back and check) which I take to mean they were aggregated
by some aid and presented as XYZ# people had the following opinion on issue
JDK.

You voice will certainly not be heard is you remain silent.


On Mon, 2 May 2005, Jason Spatafore wrote:

> On Monday 02 May 2005 13:32, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
> > I'll repeat myself, if you don't like a law, TELL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE; if
> > they don't change it, ELECT A NEW ONE. ?That is the extent of your right to
> > change things, and YOU choose to VOLUNTARILY ACCEPT that limitation by
> > choosing to live in this nation. ?If you find that the laws under which we
> > live are unacceptable, you can work to have them CHANGED, properly, you can
> > decide to ACCEPT them, or you can LEAVE.
>
> Umm, sure you do. Have you followed the Bobby Fisher thing at all? You don't
> even have the right to leave anymore. This country, and the patriotism that
> goes with it, no longer allows you to "accept it or leave it."
>
> >Not to rehash the intellectual property arguments, but I want to kill the
> >abusive #@!*%($# my wife is unfortunate enough to work with, but I have been
> >'educated' that this is 'wrong' and 'illegal'. ?Are you saying I should just
> >say "Umm, I think it is too fucking bad" and skin them while they sleep
> >anyway?
>
> If 60 million people want to skin those bastards, why not? Then again, using
> somebody elses argument...your wife has the right to choose not to work at
> the place she works. (Much like a creator of content has the right to not
> release it for use by the public.)
>
> Just keep in mind that original copyright law was designed to prevent somebody
> from stealing your work and claiming it as their own. (Such as me doing a
> rendition of Riverdance and saying that I created the dances, music, etc.) It
> was not originally designed to prevent me from performing Riverdance while
> stating in absolute fact that you, indeed, created what I was about to
> perform.
>
> Of course, that is not the case now...now I must get your permission to
> perform your dance, although my dancers may be differently dressed or
> differently proportioned than your dancers..etc. In software terms, I can
> purchase a license, which you can change at any time, and I can only use that
> license when you state I can use it.
>
> I don't see Smith and Wesson stating that I can only shoot their pistols at
> 10pm on a Friday night, during a full moon, and only while standing on one
> leg at least 13 miles from any civilized encampment. But, I do see Smith and
> Wesson stating that their warranty is void if I use hollow point bullets or
> "misuse" their product.
>
> To simply state: A software company has no warranty requirements or
> responsibilities regarding a failure in their software. However, they are
> granted incredible rights of protection for distribution of their software.
> There is no protection to the consumer but there are tons of protections to
> the producer. And *that* is what makes the software field so lucrative. No
> responsibility but 100% protection.
>
> Can I sit there and tell my congressman that? I can certainly try. BUT, since
> I am not buying him dinner at the fanciest restaurant in Phoenix, AZ....I
> won't be heard. I'll receive a form letter and I'll be lucky if my vote is
> even counted in the next election. So, in reality, should I be waiting 50
> years for somebody noble enough to come along to listen to my pleas? Or,
> should I say "fuck the law" and take my chances?
>
> And that is the only choice people have today. And there is a saying which
> describes the choice that will be made by the majority:
>
> It is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to obtain permission.
>
> These facts are self-evident in every aspect of our lives....but that is a
> whole other discussion.
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Jason Spatafore
> http://www.spatafore.net
> A+ Certified Service Professional
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