On 2025-02-13 08:00, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> I don't know about getting rid of *all* emissions regulations, but at
> least those that cause undue stress on the engines and extra
> unnecessary cost would be great. For instance, catalytic converters
> generally aren't a problem; they're just there in the exhaust and
> actually help to reduce the noise; it's only when they get clogged
> that's a problem. However, other systems like the EGR system gum up
> the intakes and cause problems over time. Additionally, I drive a
> diesel and the whole SCR system absurd both in complexity and cost to
> save a minuscule amount of emissions.
I a degree I disagree. I like things simple stupid (KISS).
>
> I've been following Rossmann for a long time and he has a lot of good
> takes on stuff. I don't know about forcing manufacturers to make parts
> available, however the manufacturer shouldn't be able to enter into
> agreements to make parts unavailable. For instance Apple will go to
> manufacturers to make slight generally unnecessary changes to their
> chips and then have them sign an agreement saying that they'll only
> sell said chips to Apple, so then you're unable to procure replacement
> parts from outside sources like DigiKey.
>
If manufactures fail to make parts available go to a different supplier
or buy from the alternate supply chain.
> Then there's the digital lockout of systems requiring some kind of
> programmer to get replacement parts to talk to eachother, which Apple
> is guilty of and I believe John Deere does the same. In that case, I'd
> say that yeah there should be some way for a regular consumer to at
> least override/bypass that so that they can get their equipment to
> work on their own without the manufacturer being involved.
>
Good reason not to buy Apple....
I did one search on my Kubuntu desktop and my Android phone showed me
this article.
https://hoodline.com/2025/02/arizona-attorney-general-sues-john-deere-alleging-unlawful-repair-monopoly-in-support-of-farmers/
Creepy....
Looks like John Deere is going down.
> There's another Youtuber similar to Rossmann named Dave Jones, who
> runs the EEVBlog YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@EEVblog
>
Thanks I'll check him out. Ok he is above my head.
> I think one of his sayings is something like "you don't own it until
> you've voided the warranty".
>
> On that note, if y'all are looking for modular/repairable laptops,
> I've been buying laptops from Framework since they came into existence
> something like 5 years ago now. They've been pretty good. They're
> about to release some new stuff on the 25th. https://frame.work/
>
> So far they have a 13 and 16 inch chassis with various board options.
> The 13 inch has had several generations of intel, the 11th, 12th,
> 13th, and the more recent 1X5H chips (whatever "generation" those are
> now), as well as an AMD 7X40 version. The 16 inch has only had a 7X40
> mainboard version but it's only a year old; I'm hoping for an upgraded
> mainboard in the announcement in a couple weeks.
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025, at 7:37 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
>> I was a Chevy man during my youth. I found Chevy's where easy to
>> work
>>
>> on and I generally just liked their cars.
>>
>> In AZ emissions is required for all cars 67 and newer. Might be 68.
>> I
>>
>> understand that the Trump Administration might be doing away with
>>
>> emissions requirements. I sure hope so. The oil embargo and
>> emissions
>>
>> killed the muscle car era.
>>
>> Sometime ago I ran into this guy :
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos
>>
>> Are you aware of him?
>>
>> I think if you buy something you should have the right to repair it.
>>
>>
>> That includes access to reasonably priced parts and even having the
>>
>> manuals online.
>>
>> John Deere has found itself on the wrong side of the right to repair
>>
>>
>> issue and look what it is costing them.
>>
>> I support your effort!!! It is the American way to stand up for
>> what is
>>
>> right, and if that includes Linux, I am extremely excited.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On 2025-02-12 21:12, Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with the points that you made, Keith. Indeed, very true,
>>
>>> electronics will not last as long as the car, yet the use of the
>> car
>>
>>> depends on them.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I like less electronics in my car as well which is why I tried to
>>
>>> maintain my 2001 Hyundai Accent for as long as I could.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> My dream car would be one that is modular, easy to repair, and has
>>
>>> easy access to critical parts in the engine bay that can be
>> replaced.
>>
>>> The car version of a Framework laptop.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:02 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>>
>>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> I might step on some toes so forgive me up front.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> You said "I am very interested in using a Linux based computers
>> and
>>
>>>> Open
>>
>>>> Source computer systems to diagnose and maintain automobiles..."
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I'm an old guy. From around 1972 to around 1984 I was a muscle
>> car
>>
>>>> guy.
>>
>>>> No electronics in those cars. I like it that way.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I hate that cars have electrons. I'm ok with an am/fm radio,
>>
>>>> electric
>>
>>>> windows (to a point), anything else is too much for me.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> You buy a car today and it's electronics are outdated in 5 years.
>>
>>>> The
>>
>>>> car can go 30 years/300k miles. But the electronics cannot keep
>> up.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Ok so what you are thinking of doing sounds exciting, especially
>> if
>>
>>>> you
>>
>>>> can replace the manufacture's electronics with some Linux based
>>
>>>> homegrown system.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Right to Repair is a big deal and you might be on the leading
>> edge
>>
>>>> of
>>
>>>> something big...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Keith
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 2025-02-12 18:13, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have been wanting to ask about this subject as well because I
>> am
>>
>>>>> seriously considering this subject:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> OPEN SOURCING AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTICS
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Open Sourcing Automotive Diagnostics [1]
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> OPEN SOURCING AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTICS
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I am very interested in using a Linux based computers and Open
>>
>>>> Source
>>
>>>>> computer systems to diagnose and maintain automobiles. I really
>>
>>>> think
>>
>>>>> there could be an open market on repairs because of the cost of
>>
>>>> modern
>>
>>>>> automobiles and tractors is so high.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I use to work for CNHI for a short contract a few years ago and
>>
>>>> they
>>
>>>>> along with John Deere are causing farmers to complain to the
>> point
>>
>>>> of
>>
>>>>> states like Nebraska coming out with laws making it legal for
>> them
>>
>>>> to
>>
>>>>> "hack" the computer system so they can use a malfunctioning
>>
>>>> computer
>>
>>>>> system in a tractor and get their crop harvested or planted.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I heard in the Ukraine they are openly providing hacks and
>> cracks
>>
>>>> to
>>
>>>>> the farmers so they can use the tractors saving them money.
>>
>>>> American
>>
>>>>> farmers were rumored to be downloading these tools to fix their
>>
>>>>> computer systems here in America.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I would really like to see free market forces in play for auto
>>
>>>> owners
>>
>>>>> so they can remove factory equipment favor of open source
>> products
>>
>>>> and
>>
>>>>> computer systems that would compliment this activity.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Beyond that, I would find it very interesting if there were a
>>
>>>> forum
>>
>>>>> and symposium on this subject here in the Phoenix area. It
>> would
>>
>>>>> offer a range of subjects such as securing your auto and how to
>>
>>>> get
>>
>>>>> the most out of an auto.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> So if you have ideas please share.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>
>>>>> Greg
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Links:
>>
>>>>> ------
>>
>>>>> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcBVxCZr4k
>>
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