On 2025-02-13 08:00, Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I don't know about getting rid of *all* emissions regulations, but at > least those that cause undue stress on the engines and extra > unnecessary cost would be great. For instance, catalytic converters > generally aren't a problem; they're just there in the exhaust and > actually help to reduce the noise; it's only when they get clogged > that's a problem. However, other systems like the EGR system gum up > the intakes and cause problems over time. Additionally, I drive a > diesel and the whole SCR system absurd both in complexity and cost to > save a minuscule amount of emissions. I a degree I disagree. I like things simple stupid (KISS). > > I've been following Rossmann for a long time and he has a lot of good > takes on stuff. I don't know about forcing manufacturers to make parts > available, however the manufacturer shouldn't be able to enter into > agreements to make parts unavailable. For instance Apple will go to > manufacturers to make slight generally unnecessary changes to their > chips and then have them sign an agreement saying that they'll only > sell said chips to Apple, so then you're unable to procure replacement > parts from outside sources like DigiKey. > If manufactures fail to make parts available go to a different supplier or buy from the alternate supply chain. > Then there's the digital lockout of systems requiring some kind of > programmer to get replacement parts to talk to eachother, which Apple > is guilty of and I believe John Deere does the same. In that case, I'd > say that yeah there should be some way for a regular consumer to at > least override/bypass that so that they can get their equipment to > work on their own without the manufacturer being involved. > Good reason not to buy Apple.... I did one search on my Kubuntu desktop and my Android phone showed me this article. https://hoodline.com/2025/02/arizona-attorney-general-sues-john-deere-alleging-unlawful-repair-monopoly-in-support-of-farmers/ Creepy.... Looks like John Deere is going down. > There's another Youtuber similar to Rossmann named Dave Jones, who > runs the EEVBlog YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@EEVblog > Thanks I'll check him out. Ok he is above my head. > I think one of his sayings is something like "you don't own it until > you've voided the warranty". > > On that note, if y'all are looking for modular/repairable laptops, > I've been buying laptops from Framework since they came into existence > something like 5 years ago now. They've been pretty good. They're > about to release some new stuff on the 25th. https://frame.work/ > > So far they have a 13 and 16 inch chassis with various board options. > The 13 inch has had several generations of intel, the 11th, 12th, > 13th, and the more recent 1X5H chips (whatever "generation" those are > now), as well as an AMD 7X40 version. The 16 inch has only had a 7X40 > mainboard version but it's only a year old; I'm hoping for an upgraded > mainboard in the announcement in a couple weeks. > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025, at 7:37 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> I was a Chevy man during my youth. I found Chevy's where easy to >> work >> >> on and I generally just liked their cars. >> >> In AZ emissions is required for all cars 67 and newer. Might be 68. >> I >> >> understand that the Trump Administration might be doing away with >> >> emissions requirements. I sure hope so. The oil embargo and >> emissions >> >> killed the muscle car era. >> >> Sometime ago I ran into this guy : >> >> https://www.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos >> >> Are you aware of him? >> >> I think if you buy something you should have the right to repair it. >> >> >> That includes access to reasonably priced parts and even having the >> >> manuals online. >> >> John Deere has found itself on the wrong side of the right to repair >> >> >> issue and look what it is costing them. >> >> I support your effort!!! It is the American way to stand up for >> what is >> >> right, and if that includes Linux, I am extremely excited. >> >> Keith >> >> On 2025-02-12 21:12, Pablo Camacho via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >>> I agree with the points that you made, Keith. Indeed, very true, >> >>> electronics will not last as long as the car, yet the use of the >> car >> >>> depends on them. >> >>> >> >>> I like less electronics in my car as well which is why I tried to >> >>> maintain my 2001 Hyundai Accent for as long as I could. >> >>> >> >>> My dream car would be one that is modular, easy to repair, and has >> >>> easy access to critical parts in the engine bay that can be >> replaced. >> >>> The car version of a Framework laptop. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:02 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I might step on some toes so forgive me up front. >> >>>> >> >>>> You said "I am very interested in using a Linux based computers >> and >> >>>> Open >> >>>> Source computer systems to diagnose and maintain automobiles..." >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm an old guy. From around 1972 to around 1984 I was a muscle >> car >> >>>> guy. >> >>>> No electronics in those cars. I like it that way. >> >>>> >> >>>> I hate that cars have electrons. I'm ok with an am/fm radio, >> >>>> electric >> >>>> windows (to a point), anything else is too much for me. >> >>>> >> >>>> You buy a car today and it's electronics are outdated in 5 years. >> >>>> The >> >>>> car can go 30 years/300k miles. But the electronics cannot keep >> up. >> >>>> >> >>>> Ok so what you are thinking of doing sounds exciting, especially >> if >> >>>> you >> >>>> can replace the manufacture's electronics with some Linux based >> >>>> homegrown system. >> >>>> >> >>>> Right to Repair is a big deal and you might be on the leading >> edge >> >>>> of >> >>>> something big... >> >>>> >> >>>> Keith >> >>>> >> >>>> On 2025-02-12 18:13, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> >>>>> I have been wanting to ask about this subject as well because I >> am >> >>>>> seriously considering this subject: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> OPEN SOURCING AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTICS >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Open Sourcing Automotive Diagnostics [1] >> >>>>> >> >>>>> OPEN SOURCING AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTICS >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I am very interested in using a Linux based computers and Open >> >>>> Source >> >>>>> computer systems to diagnose and maintain automobiles. I really >> >>>> think >> >>>>> there could be an open market on repairs because of the cost of >> >>>> modern >> >>>>> automobiles and tractors is so high. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I use to work for CNHI for a short contract a few years ago and >> >>>> they >> >>>>> along with John Deere are causing farmers to complain to the >> point >> >>>> of >> >>>>> states like Nebraska coming out with laws making it legal for >> them >> >>>> to >> >>>>> "hack" the computer system so they can use a malfunctioning >> >>>> computer >> >>>>> system in a tractor and get their crop harvested or planted. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I heard in the Ukraine they are openly providing hacks and >> cracks >> >>>> to >> >>>>> the farmers so they can use the tractors saving them money. >> >>>> American >> >>>>> farmers were rumored to be downloading these tools to fix their >> >>>>> computer systems here in America. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I would really like to see free market forces in play for auto >> >>>> owners >> >>>>> so they can remove factory equipment favor of open source >> products >> >>>> and >> >>>>> computer systems that would compliment this activity. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Beyond that, I would find it very interesting if there were a >> >>>> forum >> >>>>> and symposium on this subject here in the Phoenix area. It >> would >> >>>>> offer a range of subjects such as securing your auto and how to >> >>>> get >> >>>>> the most out of an auto. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So if you have ideas please share. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> thanks, >> >>>>> Greg >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Links: >> >>>>> ------ >> >>>>> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qcBVxCZr4k >> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss