Do you think AI is going to cause a skills gap where you can do jr level
tasks with it, but moving from jr to sr is a giant leap because the smooth
learning curve is distorted by how easy it is to do basic things?
On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 3:06 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> On 2024-11-04 11:30, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Not what anybody wants to hear but …
> >
> > AI is going to transform this thing we call “programming”.
> >
>
> It has already. I use it regularly. It helped me configure my LAMP
> server to use php-fpm. I've played with enough to know it can program
> faster than me and better than me.
>
>
>
> > The “programming” process is going to become more high-level and
> > abstract. The “coding" stuff will become hidden in the background and
> > nobody will care about the language being used.
>
> For now I think one needs senior experience to use AI for programming.
> Maybe 3 50 5 years it might be getting there. I think we are safe for
> possibly 10 more years.
>
> >
> > Descriptions of what’s wanted will be used instead of entering lines
> > and lines of code.
> >
> > I see a process that looks more like an interview, like what analysts
> > do now, where the user is describing what they want to see first at the
> > UI level, then drilling down to specific formulas and actions that
> > apply to each field, as well as what back-end sources and destinations
> > of data exist.
>
> I agree.
>
> >
> > For a while, that will be done by us “programmers”, but as it gets
> > better, it will be done with an increasing amount of input directly
> > from users or “analysts” who do that stuff now.
> >
> > This is going to shift the nature of work we do, but I doubt it’ll
> > change things significantly for several years because most people
> > cannot think through things in a stepwise logical manner.
> >
> > Also, most people can’t look at things from a “big picture
> > perspective”, which means they’re going to get really annoyed at the
> > interview process asking about stuff they think is irrelevant,
> > resulting in overly narrow applications that cannot be easily adapted
> > to deal with broader needs over time. (Yeah, so what’s new about that,
> > right?)
> >
> > I know that learning to code is being seen as some kind of necessary
> > skill today, but they’re a day late and a few dollars short. In a world
> > where people can’t balance their checkbooks or track their spending,
> > learning to code is never going to be more than a hobby. They’ll be
> > turning to ChatGPT.
>
> When I think about the AI programmer I still see testing analysis and
> design and training. I think most of this will eventually be taken over
> by machines.... And I am glad I am old. I figure I will retire in
> another 10 years.
>
> There is so much going on right now that the next 10 years should be
> very interesting.
>
> Keith
>
> >
> > We need a “CodeGPT” thingamabob that people can use to make apps.
> >
> > -David Schwartz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 4, 2024, at 10:47 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Alexander,
> >>
> >> I'm a PHP developer and my audience on YouTube, I would guess, are
> >> people wanting to learn PHP.
> >>
> >> I use Linux to support my PHP programming.
> >>
> >> I'm wondering if there is some value in not automating so one has to
> >> do these tasks over and over. I'm thinking this can help the learning
> >> curve.
> >>
> >> I know I have learned a lot. I last did this stuff on CentOS 6.x
> >> maybe 5 or 6 years ago. Ubuntu is similar but different.
> >>
> >> Your Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2024-10-22 15:34, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> What is the learning curve for that?
> >>> On 2024-10-22 15:09, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
> >>>> I think a lot of this could be made a lot easier with Ansible and
> >>>> Jinja templates.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Alexander
> >>>> Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024, 13:39 Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
> >>>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Thank You Everyone!!
> >>>>> Seems the problem was I needed to uncomment "PasswordAuthentication
> >>>>> yes". When creating a user with SSH ability.
> >>>>> Keith
> >>>>> On 2024-10-22 10:46, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>>>> ChatGPT gave a more complete answer than I do below (the question
> >>>>> was:
> >>>>>> This person is using vhost, and thinks he wants to chroot to the
> >>>>>> docroot of the vhost when the user logs in. What do you think of
> >>>>> that?)
> >>>>>> (I never thought I'd be pointing people to an AI for answers! ;-)
> >>>>>> On 10/22/24 10:42, Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>>>>> One thing I don't understand, below.
> >>>>>>> On 10/22/24 10:25, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>> I appreciate all the feedback. There is more to the story.
> >>>>>>>> ....
> >>>>>>>> The 3 things I think I need to accomplish:
> >>>>>>>> 1) Add a user and configure it to use SSH.
> >>>>>>>> 2) Configure each vhost to use PHP-FPM.
> >>>>>>>> 3) Limit the User to the docroot of it's virtual host.
> >>>>>>>> (ChrootDirectory)
> >>>>>>> I don't understand # 3. Let me say what I think you said: you
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>> (some number of) virtual machines. Or do you mean that thing
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> allows you to run more than one web address from the same IP
> >>>>> address?
> >>>>>>> In either case, why do you need to chroot to docroot? You do
> >>>>> realize
> >>>>>>> that docroot must then have EVERYTHING the user needs - all
> >>>>> programs,
> >>>>>>> all devices, everything. So you're going to need /dev, /bin,
> >>>>>>> /usr/bin, and so forth or the user will be dead in the water with
> >>>>> no
> >>>>>>> commands - shoot, not even bash will be there to try to type
> >>>>> commands!
> >>>>>>> If you're doing the chroot already, and its failing, then that's
> >>>>>>> probably because bash isn't there, nor is anything else you
> >>>>> need...
> >>>>>>>> I am using a clone of the LAMP server so I am going to remove it
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> create another close and start by trying to create a use that
> >>>>> has SSH
> >>>>>>>> access and a home directory.
> >>>>>>> If you are using virtual machines, just clone it in the virtual
> >>>>>>> machine - but then, I'm thinking you don't mean virtual machine,
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>> mean that other thing :-)
> >>>>>>>> Then I think I should work on limiting that user to the vhost
> >>>>> that is
> >>>>>>>> designated to work with.
> >>>>>>> So, if you mean not virtual machine but that other thing, then
> >>>>> you're
> >>>>>>> either going to have to copy all the stuff I talk about above in
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the docroot tree (which I still think will cause more problems
> >>>>> than it
> >>>>>>> will fix), or mount the stuff above inside the docroot, or figure
> >>>>> out
> >>>>>>> how to change permissions and ownership so that the user can only
> >>>>>>> change the stuff in their docroot. Perhaps group ownership can
> >>>>> save
> >>>>>>> the day here, assuming you want ALL files in ALL web servers to
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>>> owned by whoever is running Apache, then create 2 or more groups,
> >>>>>>> change all group ownership to the NON-User group, then
> >>>>>>> change group ownership of all files in your docroot to the group
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the user (obviously you're going to have to change the user to
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>> that group too), then change permissions to something like 770
> >>>>> for all
> >>>>>>> directories everywhere (or 775, or whatever) and 660 for all
> >>>>> files.
> >>>>>>> Done, supposedly ;-)
> >>>>>>>> Then finish up by installing configuring the vhost to use
> >>>>> PHP-FPM.
> >>>>>>>> Any thought are much appreciated!!
> >>>>>>>> Keith
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