If you're asking whether the workers got their fair share of building a bridge 100 years ago given that it's stood for 100 years and that it's gotten a lot of use, I'd say that it really doesn't matter. The workers were paid a fair wage for their labor, regardless of what the finished product was.
Lets say that I was a scientist and I was paid $1 million per year for 10 years to find a cure for cancer, and I ended up finding one. The cure would be worth billions because it would be universally needed everywhere, and if you were the only person/company that had it then it would be worth whatever you wanted to charge for it. Should I as the scientist complain that I only got $10 million out of the deal when it's worth billions, trillions even?
If you say yes, well you're not really accounting for the risk vs reward. Had I as the scientist not found a cure, I'd still have made $10 million over the last 10 years and, if I were smart about my money, I'd be able to live better than most without having to lift a finger again the rest of my life. The company that paid me, however, is not only out the $10 million they paid me, but all of the associated costs of providing me a lab, a workspace, and materials that likely cost at least 10x what I was paid over the same period.
Therefore I, as the worker, had no risk. I come to work every day, do some work, and get paid. The company fronting the money, workspace, etc., took a huge risk and capital investment; without that risk and investment, the cure would have likely never been found. The reward that they get is the offset of the risk that they took. Nothing is ever guaranteed to succeed.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 12:51 PM, greg zegan wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Do you ever wonder if you are really getting rewarded for all the "value" you are providing for that "stake holder"?
> If you look at the builders of a bridge for instance that was built 100 years ago when the wages were far below the
> wage of today you can see that the stakeholders are now benefiting from the labor of workers 100 years ago.
>
> That project is still providing revenue that the builders may be entitled to if you think about the long term value added.
> thanks,
> Greg
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:20:20 PM MST, Ryan Petris <ryan@petris.net> wrote:
>
>
> As a software developer of 15 years, I personally would not want a union, at least not one in a traditional sense. Additionally, I've never been in a union so maybe my understanding is wrong or outdated, however my reasoning for not wanting one are:
> 1. I want my salary/benefits to be based on what I personally can bring to the table.
> 2. Similarly to #1, if I and/or my team perform better than the rest of the company, I want us to be recognized for that *and* compensated appropriately.
> 3. I don't want to start at the bottom of the totem pole at a new company because I'm the new guy.
> 4. I don't want to work with people that should have been let go due to their performance but are effectively being protected by the union.
> 5. I don't want to be forced to strike because the union is playing political games that I don't care about.
> There's a time and place for unions; when you're in the top 10% of national salaries, you're not in a position to need one.
>
> All that said, I work remotely, for a company that's not based in Arizona, and therefore am paid relatively well compared to the local Market.
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 11:53 AM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>
>> would it be time to unionize or change the way business is done in AZ?
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:50:10 AM MST, trent shipley <trent.shipley@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> No. As a rule software engineers/programmers/developers/computer scientists all see themselves as professionals who are above unionizing and seldom or never do. I think we're seeing the effect of Arizona being a provincial, 3rd world location for headquarters and software development options.
>>
>> It's similar to "we make the chips. We aren't friken good enough to DESIGN the chips. They do that in NICE places."
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:35 AM greg zegan <gjzegan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>> thanks.
>>> sure look like they are taking advantage of the Right to work state workers.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 09:08:07 AM MST, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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>>>
>>> https://www.onetonline.org/link/localwages/15-1251.00?st=AZ
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