On 2023-07-16 14:37, der.hans wrote:
> Am 16. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so:
>
>> Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is
>> political
>
> I did not open a bag of worms. I am very much closing the bag that had
> already been opened. Discrimination is not acceptable.
>
You're right. I posted the original post. I had no intention of
causing things to go awry.
>> and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on this subject.
>
> Discrimination and Auslanderhass ( hate of foreigners ) are not
> political,
> they are discrimination and prejudice.
I did not read that into the post you responded to. As I see it was
political in nature. I do not think anyone voiced a haterade for
foreigners. What I read was a dislike for our government importing
people and businesses at the AMERICAN taxpayer expense.
I agree with not wanting to subside TSMC.
I could tell you stories about what I have seen and experience, however
I will save them for another day.
This post is not intended to offend. Back to regularly scheduled
silence.
Keith
>
> This is a technical and community list, not a political list.
>
> There are many places on the Internet for politcal trolling, PLUG is
> not
> one of them.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
>> I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.".
>> However we let way too many people in. No need to import a bunch of
>> Taiwanese so we can subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN
>> taxpayer.
>>
>> I'll try to stay on course.
>>
>> 1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry?
>> - I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some
>> think some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices.
>> 2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich? Some think it was the insider
>> trading. She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million.
>> Today she is worth $300 million. I think that is why she wanted to be
>> speaker - to direct policy in such a way to make her rich. Her
>> husband got caught investing in the chip industry just as congress was
>> voting on the gift they were going to give to the chip industry. He
>> immediately pulled out of those investments.
>>
>> Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system. It is my understanding
>> Gates is the number one user of H1B. I understand he continues to
>> complain about a shortage of qualified labor. What has he done to fix
>> the problem? Lobby Congress for more.
>>
>> Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and
>> identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them?
>>
>> John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For
>> You..."
>>
>> I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am
>> probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a nation.
>> If we stay the course we will lose this country soon. We do not live
>> in a vacuum.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>>>
>>> This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate.
>>>
>>> People coming from other countries are still people.
>>>
>>> PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's
>>> history.
>>> We currently have members from several countries. No one should have
>>> to deal
>>> with discrimination within our group.
>>>
>>> I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is
>>> inconsequential compared to the offensiveness.
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
>>>> I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a
>>>> load of
>>>> H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people
>>>> will
>>>> line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly
>>>> to
>>>> escape while they still can before China says No. Like most any one
>>>> here
>>>> on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn...
>>>>
>>>> I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work
>>>> still, if
>>>> that isn't roboticized too by now.
>>>>
>>>> -mb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD. He was talking
>>>>> to one
>>>>> of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the
>>>>> local jobs
>>>>> TSMC will create. She assured him that was not the case - most of
>>>>> the
>>>>> workers will come from Taiwan.
>>>>>
>>>>> This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a
>>>>> sweatshop,
>>>>> but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> George Toft
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
>>>>> just
>>>>> someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll
>>>>> probably
>>>>> hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get
>>>>> all the
>>>>> people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at a
>>>>> company that
>>>>> got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new
>>>>> employees
>>>>> because they didn't have a structure that worked with
>>>>> professionals.
>>>>> Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the
>>>>> need to
>>>>> extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers. At the very
>>>>> least,
>>>>> there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs. And with
>>>>> the halts
>>>>> for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to
>>>>> manipulate the
>>>>> market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
>>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that
>>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John
>>>>>> Wilkes
>>>>>> Booth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
>>>>>>> sweatshop....
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> jmcphe@gmail.com
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