On 2023-07-16 14:37, der.hans wrote: > Am 16. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss so: > >> Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is >> political > > I did not open a bag of worms. I am very much closing the bag that had > already been opened. Discrimination is not acceptable. > You're right. I posted the original post. I had no intention of causing things to go awry. >> and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on this subject. > > Discrimination and Auslanderhass ( hate of foreigners ) are not > political, > they are discrimination and prejudice. I did not read that into the post you responded to. As I see it was political in nature. I do not think anyone voiced a haterade for foreigners. What I read was a dislike for our government importing people and businesses at the AMERICAN taxpayer expense. I agree with not wanting to subside TSMC. I could tell you stories about what I have seen and experience, however I will save them for another day. This post is not intended to offend. Back to regularly scheduled silence. Keith > > This is a technical and community list, not a political list. > > There are many places on the Internet for politcal trolling, PLUG is > not > one of them. > > ciao, > > der.hans > >> I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.". >> However we let way too many people in. No need to import a bunch of >> Taiwanese so we can subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN >> taxpayer. >> >> I'll try to stay on course. >> >> 1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry? >> - I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some >> think some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices. >> 2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich? Some think it was the insider >> trading. She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million. >> Today she is worth $300 million. I think that is why she wanted to be >> speaker - to direct policy in such a way to make her rich. Her >> husband got caught investing in the chip industry just as congress was >> voting on the gift they were going to give to the chip industry. He >> immediately pulled out of those investments. >> >> Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system. It is my understanding >> Gates is the number one user of H1B. I understand he continues to >> complain about a shortage of qualified labor. What has he done to fix >> the problem? Lobby Congress for more. >> >> Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and >> identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them? >> >> John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For >> You..." >> >> I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am >> probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a nation. >> If we stay the course we will lose this country soon. We do not live >> in a vacuum. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so: >>> >>> This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate. >>> >>> People coming from other countries are still people. >>> >>> PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's >>> history. >>> We currently have members from several countries. No one should have >>> to deal >>> with discrimination within our group. >>> >>> I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is >>> inconsequential compared to the offensiveness. >>> >>> ciao, >>> >>> der.hans >>> >>>> I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a >>>> load of >>>> H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people >>>> will >>>> line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly >>>> to >>>> escape while they still can before China says No. Like most any one >>>> here >>>> on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn... >>>> >>>> I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work >>>> still, if >>>> that isn't roboticized too by now. >>>> >>>> -mb >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss < >>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD. He was talking >>>>> to one >>>>> of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the >>>>> local jobs >>>>> TSMC will create. She assured him that was not the case - most of >>>>> the >>>>> workers will come from Taiwan. >>>>> >>>>> This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a >>>>> sweatshop, >>>>> but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.* >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> George Toft >>>>> >>>>> On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's >>>>> just >>>>> someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll >>>>> probably >>>>> hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get >>>>> all the >>>>> people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at a >>>>> company that >>>>> got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new >>>>> employees >>>>> because they didn't have a structure that worked with >>>>> professionals. >>>>> Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the >>>>> need to >>>>> extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers. At the very >>>>> least, >>>>> there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs. And with >>>>> the halts >>>>> for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to >>>>> manipulate the >>>>> market. >>>>> >>>>> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss < >>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that >>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John >>>>>> Wilkes >>>>>> Booth. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a >>>>>>> sweatshop.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> James McPhee >>>>> jmcphe@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>>>> settings:https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss