This particular thread is completely off topic. Everyone is entitled to
their opinions, but this is not the place to discuss them.
As for offensiveness. The plant isn't even built yet and people are
automatically assuming/voicing things that can't be taken any other way
than to know their a racist. There's nothing being said based on
facts... the plant isn't even completed yet, and likely very few people,
of any race, are hired for any day to day positions at this point. So
the most you can say right now is that it's a sweat show because it's
being built in 115 degree weather. Anyone sharing similar offensive
opinions to those previously stated needs to ask themselves if they
would watch people going into a job and get mad if they weren't white or
as they would put it American. The Reality of the situation is that
only around 60 percent of Americans are white, so you'll end up a very
angry individual if you think like that since just over half wouldn't
fit their view of who they thought should be walking in that door.
In any case, all of this is completely off topic of Linux and/or
computers in general and needs to be taken somewhere else.
Brian Cluff
On 7/16/23 14:14, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Thank you der.hans for opening a bag of worms. Everything today is
> political and I do not blame folks for having negative opinions on
> this subject.
>
> I agree "People coming from other countries are still people.".
> However we let way too many people in. No need to import a bunch of
> Taiwanese so we can subsidize Taiwan at the expense of the AMERICAN
> taxpayer.
>
> I'll try to stay on course.
>
> 1. Why did the US Government just subsidize the chip industry?
> - I think it was so the folks in congress could grow rich and some
> think some of this cash makes it's way back to the those in offices.
> 2. How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich? Some think it was the insider
> trading. She entered office 30 years ago and was worth $3 million.
> Today she is worth $300 million. I think that is why she wanted to be
> speaker - to direct policy in such a way to make her rich. Her
> husband got caught investing in the chip industry just as congress was
> voting on the gift they were going to give to the chip industry. He
> immediately pulled out of those investments.
>
> Lets talk about Bill Gates and the H1B system. It is my understanding
> Gates is the number one user of H1B. I understand he continues to
> complain about a shortage of qualified labor. What has he done to fix
> the problem? Lobby Congress for more.
>
> Why has Gates failed to create the best tech college in the world and
> identify the best of the best in AMERICA and train them?
>
> John F. Kennedy said it best "Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For
> You..."
>
> I know we try to stay away from politics on this list and I know I am
> probably one of the most outspoken. We are in a bad place as a
> nation. If we stay the course we will lose this country soon. We do
> not live in a vacuum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2023-07-16 13:26, der.hans via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Am 07. Jul, 2023 schwätzte Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss so:
>>
>> This is highly offensive and completely inappropriate.
>>
>> People coming from other countries are still people.
>>
>> PLUG has had members from many countries throughout the group's history.
>> We currently have members from several countries. No one should have
>> to deal
>> with discrimination within our group.
>>
>> I will ignore the inaccuracy of the statements because being wrong is
>> inconsequential compared to the offensiveness.
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>>> I would not be surprised if the US also happened to grant them a
>>> load of
>>> H1B visas as part of the deal to do just that, and I'm sure people will
>>> line up across the island to get on that gravy train, particularly to
>>> escape while they still can before China says No. Like most any one
>>> here
>>> on visa, they'll drop a kid at first chance, then in like Flynn...
>>>
>>> I guess someone has to clean the toilets though for local work
>>> still, if
>>> that isn't roboticized too by now.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 1:07 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My younger son worked at the local 3rd Party MVD. He was talking
>>>> to one
>>>> of the TSMC Managers who came in to register a vehicle about the
>>>> local jobs
>>>> TSMC will create. She assured him that was not the case - most of the
>>>> workers will come from Taiwan.
>>>>
>>>> This may very well be the case if an American won't work in a
>>>> sweatshop,
>>>> but a *Taiwanese will for the opportunity to work in America.*
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> George Toft
>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/2023 1:59 PM, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance it's
>>>> just
>>>> someone drumming up support for something. In this case, we'll
>>>> probably
>>>> hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the new fabs get
>>>> all the
>>>> people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was working at a
>>>> company that
>>>> got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain most of the new
>>>> employees
>>>> because they didn't have a structure that worked with professionals.
>>>> Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an interview on CNBC about the
>>>> need to
>>>> extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting enough workers. At the very
>>>> least,
>>>> there's plenty of incentive to drive down labor costs. And with
>>>> the halts
>>>> for new housing going out, there is a LOT of incentive to
>>>> manipulate the
>>>> market.
>>>>
>>>> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read that
>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John Wilkes
>>>>> Booth.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they are a
>>>>>> sweatshop....
>>>>>>
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