Hi,
So to put this to rest, I broke out my old cheep dell laptop that is
about 6 or 7 years old. It already had Kubuntu 20.4 installed. I do not
recall installing Kubuntu on that laptop. I've been playing with it for
a day or so. I am very much impressed.
I pulled out my old Linux desktop and will be putting an SSD drive into
it and installing Kubuntu on it. It is an i5 with 4 cores and 4
threads. I upgraded it years ago to 16Gb of RAM.
I expect Kubuntu will serve my needs.
I fall into the camp of I just want my computer to work. And I would
like to know more. I'm an old guy and do not have the energy I used to.
I have a lot of goals and things I would like to accomplish.
I prefer Linux over Microsoft. I like making browser based business web
apps using PHP/MySQL.
My ultimate goal is to get my YouTube channel and blog going.
Thank you to everyone for all of your input. This was a good thread. I
sill have a ton of questions. I use Linux to create LAMP servers. I
plan on developing a working knowledge of NGINX (LEMP). I'm not a sys
admin, I'm a programmer. Given all that I would like to learn what I do
not know and strengthen what I do know.
Thanks!!
Keith
On 2022-10-26 00:05, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Ryan Petris via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 25 Oct 2022 06:30:34 -0700
>
>> I don't really have the time to reply to all of this,
>
> And yet here you are.
>
>> but I did want
>> to reply to a couple of things.
>>
>>> Let them go back to windows. Not everybody belongs in the Linux
>>> world.
>>
>> This. This right here is why you shouldn't be giving advice to
>> newbies. This is the wrong attitude to have if you want to new people
>> involved with Linux.
>
> Not all newbies. The ones who should go back to windows are the ones
> not willing to learn Linux. Linux was never intended for the dweeb
> whose computer interactions are email, web, and porn. Linux has always
> been, and continues to be, for those who want to boss their computers,
> not for those who want their computers to boss them.
>
> Did you just emerge from 1999, when we thought everyone would be using
> Linux on the desktop and laptop in a couple years? It's 2022, and Linux
> slaughtered Microsoft and Apple (and proprietary Unix) on the server,
> but still has only a dedicated core of desktop users. The KDE, Gnome
> and systemd you tout erect barriers to those desktop users who want to
> boss their computers, and who want at least some POSIX.
>
> And don't forget that the lead developer on the systemd project now
> works for Microsoft. What could *possibly* go wrong?
>
>
>> New people are a good thing, they have new ideas
>> and new directions that they want to go, and will take things to
>> places never thought before. To push them out will create a dying
>> community.
>
> Like I said, I recommend working with users willing to use Linux.
>
>> For new people, easier is better, hence GNOME or KDE being a good
>> recommendation.
>
> There's absolutely nothing easy or intuitive about Gnome3. If you want
> easy and intuitive, LXDE and LXQt are what you want.
> Have you ever used them? XFCE is also in that category, although on
> Linux (as opposed to OpenBSD) I've found XFCE glitchy, and XFCE isn't
> light enough for an anemic computer, which is the computer a lot of
> Windows users have available to dabble with Linux.
>
>> Once they get their footing then they can go and try
>> more esoteric things as they get comfortable. Having them try to use
>> straight openbox with a custom configuration is NOT the right advice
>> for a new person.
>
> Please remember, I recommended LXDE and LXQt. My point of Openbox was
> to say that if you want an interface that completely stays out of your
> way the way you say Gnome3 does, my interface does that.
>>
>> Lastly, yes I did mean "integrated" and not "dependent" or
>> "entangled".
>
> No matter what you *meant*, "integrated" implies entangled.
>
>> GNOME 3/4 in no way, shape, or form, REQUIRES systemd.
>> You don't have to look far to prove this as it runs on FreeBSD, which
>> is systemd-free. And no you don't have to jump through hoops to get it
>> working, you install it and enable a couple services and poof it works
>> just as well as on any other Linux system. GNOME also a first-class
>> desktop environment on Void.
>
> Well, the Gentoo/Funtoo people sure had to jump through hoops to get
> Gnome working with OpenRC, but yeah, you're right, as shown at
> https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All¬basedon=None&desktop=GNOME&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=Not+systemd&status=Active#simple
>
> Therefore, I can recommend Void to somebody who wants Gnome.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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