Hello, Good question. Where can you get a good CS degree on a budget?India? Europe? North America?thanks,Greg
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 07:27:37 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
On 2022-08-22 00:17, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Not sure what good a CS degree is these days. Seems like all anybody
> caress about today is “at least 3 years hands-on experience with xyz
> and abc” to get hired for stuff.
>
I consider a CS degree as an engineer. Those who follow this path can
do things the rest of us cannot do like create parsers, compilers, and
interpreters. Am I wrong?
I'm a programmer. I do not have the skills of a CS degree holder. You
(David) can do lots of neat things that I cannot. I think your niche is
smaller if you want to do engineering class work.
I had a love/hate relationship with IT for a long time because I
struggled to find adequate W2 employment. I had to become a freelancer
to rise to my potential, and that could be a book.
I bet you could spend a couple months learning Kotlin, put up a website
and do freelance Kotlin development.
I have read articles that say freelancing will take over the world in
the future. As companies start to realize they only need a core of
employees supplemented by freelancers, then that will become the norm.
It has been my experience that small businesses mostly hire freelancers
and have no IT staff.
> I read an article today that was saying how Google has been working
> hard to replace Java in the Android ecosystem with Kotlin. I’m sure
> Java will be with us a long time, but learning Kotlin could open some
> doors in the not-too-distant future.
>
> Five years later, Google is still all-in on Kotlin
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/
> [2]
>
> It’s been just over five years since Google first announced that it
> would make Kotlin, the
> statically typed language for the Java Virtual Machine first developed
> by JetBrains, a first-
> class language for writing Android apps at Google I/O 2017. Since
> then, Google took this a
> step further by making Kotlin its preferred language for writing
> Android apps in 2019 — and
> while plenty of developers still use Java, Kotlin is quickly becoming
> the default way to build
> apps for Google’s mobile operating system.
>
> I suspect that when Google announces the first version of Android
> written in Kotlin, it will open a huge demand for Kotlin programmers
> with even 6 months of experience with it.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>> On Aug 21, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>> <scroll>
>>
>> On 2022-08-19 10:41, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>> wrote:
>> David,
>> You provide a bunch to think about.
>> What does this have to do with Linux? We are on a Linux list and I
>> would guess most are not going to retool.
>> I'm 66 and do not think I will retool, so I am looking at some
>> simple
>> things that might make my life better while we enter a period of
>> chaos.
>> I am a PHP programmer and I know less about Linux than I would like
>> to.
>> For me the opportunities have to be in the realm of LAMP/LEMP.
>> PHP is so ingrained that it will be around for decades. Eventually
>> it
>> will go the way of COBOL... AND COBOL is still around. I think a
>> person
>> could make a career being a COBOL developer.
>> So I think the question is what are the opportunities for the Linux
>> admins and the associated technologies?
>> What I'm personally doing is developing a Troubleshooters.Com [1]
>> HTML/CSS
>> subsite in
>> preparation to teach online HTML/CSS classes to people who:
>> 1) Understand that HTML, DOM and CSS are the basis of web
>> presentation, regardless
>> of higher layer tools used,
>> 2) Want a teacher instead of just taking a programmed online course,
>> 3) Don't want to pay the price of coming to a face to face class.
>
> Very nice!! Based on what I am reading and hearing I think there will
> be continued demand for this type of learning. I think the
> Universities will dry up. It might take a while. Looks like a year
> at ASU is almost $13,000
> https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year [3] Who can afford
> that?
>
> I first looked at college in 1978 and that year it was $275 a semester
> at the University of Arizona. I ended up going to junior college and
> it was $100 my first semester the spring of 1979.
>
> By 1990 UofA was just over $1000 a semester. 4 times what it was just
> 12 years prior.
>
> When I was first exposed to programming in 1983 a bachelor's degree
> was required to be a programmer. I think that requirement is long
> gone. I think employers are looking for just skills.
>
> I think self study is big today. And if the economy does crash I'm
> thinking that the next generation of programmers will be self thought
> and might just be more inclined to be using Linux.
>
> If what I am hearing and reading is that the economy is going to crash
> and inflation is going to stay at 10% for the next 10 years, I think
> the world will look and feel a lot different 10 or 12 years from now.
>
> So doing what you are doing, Steve, should pay dividends for years.
>
>
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