Hello,  Good question.  Where can you get a good CS degree on a budget?India? Europe? North America?thanks,Greg On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 07:27:37 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-08-22 00:17, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Not sure what good a CS degree is these days. Seems like all anybody > caress about today is “at least 3 years hands-on experience with xyz > and abc” to get hired for stuff. > I consider a CS degree as an engineer.  Those who follow this path can do things the rest of us cannot do like create parsers, compilers, and interpreters. Am I wrong? I'm a programmer.  I do not have the skills of a CS degree holder.  You (David) can do lots of neat things that I cannot.  I think your niche is smaller if you want to do engineering class work. I had a love/hate relationship with IT for a long time because I struggled to find adequate W2 employment. I had to become a freelancer to rise to my potential, and that could be a book. I bet you could spend a couple months learning Kotlin, put up a website and do freelance Kotlin development. I have read articles that say freelancing will take over the world in the future.  As companies start to realize they only need a core of employees supplemented by freelancers, then that will become the norm. It has been my experience that small businesses mostly hire freelancers and have no IT staff. > I read an article today that was saying how Google has been working > hard to replace Java in the Android ecosystem with Kotlin. I’m sure > Java will be with us a long time, but learning Kotlin could open some > doors in the not-too-distant future. > > Five years later, Google is still all-in on Kotlin > > https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/ > [2] > > It’s been just over five years since Google first announced that it > would make Kotlin, the > statically typed language for the Java Virtual Machine first developed > by JetBrains, a first- > class language for writing Android apps at Google I/O 2017. Since > then, Google took this a > step further by making Kotlin its preferred language for writing > Android apps in 2019 — and > while plenty of developers still use Java, Kotlin is quickly becoming > the default way to build > apps for Google’s mobile operating system. > > I suspect that when Google announces the first version of Android > written in Kotlin, it will open a huge demand for Kotlin programmers > with even 6 months of experience with it. > > -David Schwartz > >> On Aug 21, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> >> On 2022-08-19 10:41, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> David, >> You provide a bunch to think about. >> What does this have to do with Linux?  We are on a Linux list and I >> would guess most are not going to retool. >> I'm 66 and do not think I will retool, so I am looking at some >> simple >> things that might make my life better while we enter a period of >> chaos. >> I am a PHP programmer and I know less about Linux than I would like >> to. >> For me the opportunities have to be in the realm of LAMP/LEMP. >> PHP is so ingrained that it will be around for decades.  Eventually >> it >> will go the way of COBOL... AND COBOL is still around.  I think a >> person >> could make a career being a COBOL developer. >> So I think the question is what are the opportunities for the Linux >> admins and the associated technologies? >> What I'm personally doing is developing a Troubleshooters.Com [1] >> HTML/CSS >> subsite in >> preparation to teach online HTML/CSS classes to people who: >> 1) Understand that HTML, DOM and CSS are the basis of web >> presentation, regardless >> of higher layer tools used, >> 2) Want a teacher instead of just taking a programmed online course, >> 3) Don't want to pay the price of coming to a face to face class. > > Very nice!! Based on what I am reading and hearing I think there will > be continued demand for this type of learning.  I think the > Universities will dry up.  It might take a while.  Looks like a year > at ASU is almost $13,000 > https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year [3]  Who can afford > that? > > I first looked at college in 1978 and that year it was $275 a semester > at the University of Arizona. I ended up going to junior college and > it was $100 my first semester the spring of 1979. > > By 1990 UofA was just over $1000 a semester. 4 times what it was just > 12 years prior. > > When I was first exposed to programming in 1983 a bachelor's degree > was required to be a programmer. I think that requirement is long > gone.  I think employers are looking for just skills. > > I think self study is big today.  And if the economy does crash I'm > thinking that the next generation of programmers will be self thought > and might just be more inclined to be using Linux. > > If what I am hearing and reading is that the economy is going to crash > and inflation is going to stay at 10% for the next 10 years, I think > the world will look and feel a lot different 10 or 12 years from now. > > So doing what you are doing, Steve, should pay dividends for years. > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=BhNbhdbDS7xKBhDf7NQZqchNygmyB1zvx5Tv7LBq0VbOEz4w1v0JqMJ3zzedGfoqnHka_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUnWX3xWLJ-2BNqYG6T-2B8N93M88Pr7ebIlVoylZt-2FGe30NdjNsGHG54qA-2B2cMPBb9xuP1Nehj8oKHqCJyv0VUYIRJ-2FjuC8z6XnH0koiM2GN4fYM1QEoihv4H55gB8HbENiVO3soy593HLsUcdSij85MdPc-3D > [2] > https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfM-2BUnniUctgTPwX-2FlDxhYyeMTgN-2BdD3hvSAtgSC8-2BRfKCMc6cc2WxMRhF814RaHy3oXxHVzK1uM31jlPF7z0kpx1nMUGgIt8fUag0bximYHe52wY_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqnuSCdeTFXZB9VQP8tD9lzJWs62MxiJYjy68EmRCr74SD75f9JIV1Tvr-2FdK32-2F7GODHaKbFnZzPgryAof4Qy5rm-2Fb413pY-2BCrEPrleX7oa0T1uLeJXYkL945F62o84PbFqBg9yxe5l8VslRGmKTjyQ-3D > [3] > https://u2206659.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=SJEG7TF39YLaAIMD0HhsfBtqHyAW5P9502IxPgTLptwZ4M-2BvUvH4NfFa-2BHBF3yE4ENXVsXRFrwmmYx4XfSYcuw-3D-3DVH5F_o-2BjQxMsWfboH-2B-2BcY2qb3IYCoqvthnvff9ftZz0pNEJ2tF1jbVlVBtrlaPYq4av3GGnw-2BRkwuhd0Ewovym9t-2FUqve6Mn2lIfr2de3-2B4tqDGIk9HH20O7FaDTHnQZa3lHZbJvSOxkxvQja7QIOjkZnlN8NG9Kz4aXOCF4ImHK847s8yPrhkWetOML6xQ8AYd5i9rvuuV2LwOu2bhLDrvcuEKeSe8P4Upl-2Fe1Ij06495SQ-3D > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss