Am 22. Aug, 2022 schwätzte greg zegan via PLUG-discuss so:
moin moin,
> Hello, Good question. Where can you get a good CS degree on a budget?India? Europe? North America?thanks,Greg
MIT and some other universities have put their courseware online and
available for no cost. If you want the degree, you have to apply for and
pay for the program, but the knowledge is supposed to be sweat equity.
There are also MOOC ( multi something something courses ) for no or little
cost. MOOC might also be what MIT is using. They were invested in
something like that.
ASU has online degree programs. There's probably an in state discount for
Arizona residents. There is for the in person programs.
There's also the option of working for a university and getting free
tuition. I know several people who've done that. I think ASU also gives
spouse and children classes as well.
Community college won't get you all the way to CS or EE, but you can get a
bunch of the non-domain specific classes that way.
In town we also have UAT, but I don't think it's on the inexpensive side
of the scale.
In Europe many of the universities are essentially no cost in at least
several countries if you can qualify as a citizen or other class
elligible. Getting in might be difficult, or it might not. It's been a
while since I've looked at it.
ciao,
der.hans
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 07:27:37 AM MST, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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> On 2022-08-22 00:17, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Not sure what good a CS degree is these days. Seems like all anybody
>> caress about today is “at least 3 years hands-on experience with xyz
>> and abc” to get hired for stuff.
>>
>
> I consider a CS degree as an engineer. Those who follow this path can
> do things the rest of us cannot do like create parsers, compilers, and
> interpreters. Am I wrong?
>
> I'm a programmer. I do not have the skills of a CS degree holder. You
> (David) can do lots of neat things that I cannot. I think your niche is
> smaller if you want to do engineering class work.
>
> I had a love/hate relationship with IT for a long time because I
> struggled to find adequate W2 employment. I had to become a freelancer
> to rise to my potential, and that could be a book.
>
> I bet you could spend a couple months learning Kotlin, put up a website
> and do freelance Kotlin development.
>
> I have read articles that say freelancing will take over the world in
> the future. As companies start to realize they only need a core of
> employees supplemented by freelancers, then that will become the norm.
>
> It has been my experience that small businesses mostly hire freelancers
> and have no IT staff.
>
>
>
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>> I read an article today that was saying how Google has been working
>> hard to replace Java in the Android ecosystem with Kotlin. I’m sure
>> Java will be with us a long time, but learning Kotlin could open some
>> doors in the not-too-distant future.
>>
>> Five years later, Google is still all-in on Kotlin
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/18/five-years-later-google-is-still-all-in-on-kotlin/
>> [2]
>>
>> It’s been just over five years since Google first announced that it
>> would make Kotlin, the
>> statically typed language for the Java Virtual Machine first developed
>> by JetBrains, a first-
>> class language for writing Android apps at Google I/O 2017. Since
>> then, Google took this a
>> step further by making Kotlin its preferred language for writing
>> Android apps in 2019 — and
>> while plenty of developers still use Java, Kotlin is quickly becoming
>> the default way to build
>> apps for Google’s mobile operating system.
>>
>> I suspect that when Google announces the first version of Android
>> written in Kotlin, it will open a huge demand for Kotlin programmers
>> with even 6 months of experience with it.
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>>> <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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>>> On 2022-08-19 10:41, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 15:52 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
>>> wrote:
>>> David,
>>> You provide a bunch to think about.
>>> What does this have to do with Linux? We are on a Linux list and I
>>> would guess most are not going to retool.
>>> I'm 66 and do not think I will retool, so I am looking at some
>>> simple
>>> things that might make my life better while we enter a period of
>>> chaos.
>>> I am a PHP programmer and I know less about Linux than I would like
>>> to.
>>> For me the opportunities have to be in the realm of LAMP/LEMP.
>>> PHP is so ingrained that it will be around for decades. Eventually
>>> it
>>> will go the way of COBOL... AND COBOL is still around. I think a
>>> person
>>> could make a career being a COBOL developer.
>>> So I think the question is what are the opportunities for the Linux
>>> admins and the associated technologies?
>>> What I'm personally doing is developing a Troubleshooters.Com [1]
>>> HTML/CSS
>>> subsite in
>>> preparation to teach online HTML/CSS classes to people who:
>>> 1) Understand that HTML, DOM and CSS are the basis of web
>>> presentation, regardless
>>> of higher layer tools used,
>>> 2) Want a teacher instead of just taking a programmed online course,
>>> 3) Don't want to pay the price of coming to a face to face class.
>>
>> Very nice!! Based on what I am reading and hearing I think there will
>> be continued demand for this type of learning. I think the
>> Universities will dry up. It might take a while. Looks like a year
>> at ASU is almost $13,000
>> https://admission.asu.edu/aid/resident-first-year [3] Who can afford
>> that?
>>
>> I first looked at college in 1978 and that year it was $275 a semester
>> at the University of Arizona. I ended up going to junior college and
>> it was $100 my first semester the spring of 1979.
>>
>> By 1990 UofA was just over $1000 a semester. 4 times what it was just
>> 12 years prior.
>>
>> When I was first exposed to programming in 1983 a bachelor's degree
>> was required to be a programmer. I think that requirement is long
>> gone. I think employers are looking for just skills.
>>
>> I think self study is big today. And if the economy does crash I'm
>> thinking that the next generation of programmers will be self thought
>> and might just be more inclined to be using Linux.
>>
>> If what I am hearing and reading is that the economy is going to crash
>> and inflation is going to stay at 10% for the next 10 years, I think
>> the world will look and feel a lot different 10 or 12 years from now.
>>
>> So doing what you are doing, Steve, should pay dividends for years.
>>
>>
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