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Author: Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
Date:  
To: Main PLUG discussion list
CC: Stephen Partington
Subject: Re: Built for Failure
This is also a great read on disk technology.

https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss <
> wrote:

> I was incorrect it is a Thecus N5200
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 9:04 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> > wrote:
>
>> What model?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 6:30 PM Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss <
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using ZFS almost two years on servers and it is easy to deal
>>> with drive replacements. I have even switched my desktops and laptops to
>>> ubuntu 20.04 ZFS for the snapshots.
>>> Issues are learning ZFS and Raids they are not real hard to learn but
>>> then replacing drives as they fail = Time vs money saved Do you have the
>>> Time to learn and spend swapping?
>>> I have a old synology NAS you or someone else can have that can be
>>> updated to debian and ZFS 5 bay hot swap, great way to start out
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many drive are you looking to spin up at one time? Across how many
>>>> machines?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 5:39 PM Seabass via PLUG-discuss <
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is a good question.
>>>>> Probably not, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a software raid version? I need to check what these have, but I
>>>>> don't think there is much beyond raid1 and raid0.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, 4:02 PM, Rusty Ramser < >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Seabass.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RAID-6 comes to mind, since it will support two disk failures
>>>>> simultaneously... and it sounds like you just may experience that with
>>>>> these disks. Does your disk controller hardware/software support
>>>>> configuring a RAID-6 array?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Seabass via PLUG-discuss
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 31 December 2020 11:01
>>>>> *To:*
>>>>> *Cc:* Seabass <>
>>>>> *Subject:* Built for Failure
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Weird question:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can get a bunch of ancient (~2013) HDDs. Each have varying amounts
>>>>> of space, and few (if any) are ever the same size.
>>>>>
>>>>> These were marked to be disposed, though that is just because of age
>>>>> or having plenty that are better. Thus I can take them. However, them being
>>>>> this old, and having found about 3 that eventually broke or never worked,
>>>>> I'm left with this question:
>>>>>
>>>>> Because purchasing new drives takes too long (no idea when/if they
>>>>> would arrive), I can take as many of the decommissioned drives I'd like.
>>>>> Seeing as some failed, how does one build a system that is resilient to
>>>>> drives failing?
>>>>>
>>>>> It can be reset as much as wanted, hardware is literally in arm's
>>>>> reach, and there is not burning need for it to be up immediately.
>>>>> There is also massive (comparatively) external drive space and as many
>>>>> live boot USBs as one might desire.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how would one build a system that is designed expecting HDD failure
>>>>> regularly?
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