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Author: Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
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CC: Stephen Partington
Subject: Re: Built for Failure
What model?

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 6:30 PM Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss <
> wrote:

> I have been using ZFS almost two years on servers and it is easy to deal
> with drive replacements. I have even switched my desktops and laptops to
> ubuntu 20.04 ZFS for the snapshots.
> Issues are learning ZFS and Raids they are not real hard to learn but then
> replacing drives as they fail = Time vs money saved Do you have the Time to
> learn and spend swapping?
> I have a old synology NAS you or someone else can have that can be
> updated to debian and ZFS 5 bay hot swap, great way to start out
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> > wrote:
>
>> How many drive are you looking to spin up at one time? Across how many
>> machines?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 5:39 PM Seabass via PLUG-discuss <
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> That is a good question.
>>> Probably not, though.
>>>
>>> Have a software raid version? I need to check what these have, but I
>>> don't think there is much beyond raid1 and raid0.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On Dec 30, 2020, 4:02 PM, Rusty Ramser < >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, Seabass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> RAID-6 comes to mind, since it will support two disk failures
>>> simultaneously... and it sounds like you just may experience that with
>>> these disks. Does your disk controller hardware/software support
>>> configuring a RAID-6 array?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Seabass via PLUG-discuss
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 31 December 2020 11:01
>>> *To:*
>>> *Cc:* Seabass <>
>>> *Subject:* Built for Failure
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weird question:
>>>
>>> I can get a bunch of ancient (~2013) HDDs. Each have varying amounts of
>>> space, and few (if any) are ever the same size.
>>>
>>> These were marked to be disposed, though that is just because of age or
>>> having plenty that are better. Thus I can take them. However, them being
>>> this old, and having found about 3 that eventually broke or never worked,
>>> I'm left with this question:
>>>
>>> Because purchasing new drives takes too long (no idea when/if they would
>>> arrive), I can take as many of the decommissioned drives I'd like. Seeing
>>> as some failed, how does one build a system that is resilient to drives
>>> failing?
>>>
>>> It can be reset as much as wanted, hardware is literally in arm's reach,
>>> and there is not burning need for it to be up immediately.
>>> There is also massive (comparatively) external drive space and as many
>>> live boot USBs as one might desire.
>>>
>>> So how would one build a system that is designed expecting HDD failure
>>> regularly?
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