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Author: Michael Butash
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Subject: Re: Topic split. Arch on laptops.
Secureboot is disabled, but uefi is still used. I didn't see another way
to do it at the time, still don't know if there is a way to keep secureboot
on fully. Not terribly missed either way.

It's almost like the hooks aren't building into the kernel properly, or
grub isn't playing ball, but still boots ubuntu and its kernel just fine,
same with windoze.

-mb


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:49 PM Stephen Partington <>
wrote:

> Interesting on both issues. I am assuming you use UEFI and secureboot?
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 9:19 PM Michael Butash <> wrote:
>
>> The ubuntu issue making me switch with vitriol is somewhat different. I
>> simply can't switch to another DE now under ubuntu, and I hate what ubuntu
>> did to gnome3. Any other DE but ubuntu's simply crashes and dumps me back
>> to login. No idea why, and oddly I can't find much about it from others.
>> It was merely impetus to evacuate ubuntu further, but like crack I can't
>> seem to break free.
>>
>> I ran 16.04 before on my xps15. Old kernels worked ok with bumblebee,
>> but sucked at everything else, including my dell thunderbolt/usb3 dock.
>> I'd get random network timeouts, the usb bus would just sorta die
>> randomly. Lovely feature, really.
>>
>> Upgrading it fixed TB3, but fubar'd bumblebee/gpu interaction, and
>> powertop just sorta said I was causing planetary doom with consumption all
>> the time. It worked, but used power like crazy. I'd be lucky to get an
>> hour of batter life, mostly due to the stupid intel vs. nvidia vs.
>> bumblebee issues on it. Stable network and function vs. heat - I'll take
>> it. I was hoping moving to arch they might have fixed some of this
>> stupidity ubuntu could obviously never figure out.
>>
>> Why do I hate 18.04? Other than above gpu issues, I upgrade to find my
>> right click on the touchpad not working, a distinct lack of a minimize
>> button on my windows, and various things that simply didn't work out of box
>> I needed to find workarounds for. Upgrading out of sheer morbid curiosity
>> to 18.10 didn't fix anything, and in fact made most worse. I just hate
>> ubuntu now, and would really like to never deal with it again.
>>
>> I need to make a decent arch linux vm image I can clone and reuse, as
>> ubuntu is even more annoying with failed upgrades as a server. I really
>> hate having to rebuild everything every few years, but it does keep me in
>> practice.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:00 PM Stephen Partington <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To follow up Mike's Conversation earlier about arch on a laptop I am
>>> actually curious about the issue you had.
>>>
>>> I have had really good success with arch on laptops lately. And with the
>>> release of Ubuntu 18.04 Ubuntu has been really amenable.
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