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Author: Todd Cole
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Subject: Re: Cox Gigablast
I think lets encrypt only uses port 80 outbound and 443 outbound so one
should be able to use it on any port incoming but to be honest most of my
servers are personal self signed on irregular ports
and the few public servers are lets encrypt with a external redirect so
that it is easier to maintain at home...    1Thousand ways to do the same
thing
https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/required-ports-to-run-lets-encrypt/36101/3


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Stephen Partington <>
wrote:

> the only thing I care about for HTTP at all is my Synology letsencypt cert
> call requires 80, and only 80.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Michael Butash <>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed here about just doing https, I've just always used straight
>> ipsec/openvpn, or later a https sslvpn to connect home to things when
>> allowed. Never really had a need otherwise to host 80 or smtp, and back
>> then they even blocked 443. At some point later they stopped filtering
>> https (think Partington mentioned this - thanks again!), which made life
>> easier at least to present some form of web externally, so long as your
>> users were smart enough to put https:// first, or use a redirect service
>> in front as mentioned.
>>
>> Past few years, I use https://www.zerotier.com for connecting all my
>> hosts vs. traditional vpn to connect behind firewalls/filters, which gives
>> me always on vpn between any of my hosts that run the client and join my
>> SDN network there. Runs on pretty much everything, including my various
>> pi/arm linux systems, android, whatever really, and give you 100 clients
>> for free. This gives me essentially a layer 2 network between all my
>> hosts, minus multicast propagation (damn mdns address restrictions).
>>
>> I love this service, and recently noticed they have a hardware offering
>> on kickstarter even.
>>
>> -mb
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Partington <
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My solution is to run everything on https with a lets encrypt cert and a
>>> port 80 to 443 redirect via my Domain registrar.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:30 PM, der.hans <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 19. Nov, 2017 schwätzte kelly stephenson so:
>>>>
>>>> moin moin,
>>>>
>>>> Cox blocks incoming port 80 requests, what is your plan to get around
>>>>> this
>>>>> for your web site you plan on hosting?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cox residential blocks ports. I have gotten around it for years by not
>>>> using Cox residential :).
>>>>
>>>> Most of the time I've used Cox business, which will allow all ports. You
>>>> might have to request 80 and 25 get unblocked.
>>>>
>>>> I have also used Century Link residential, which will also allow all
>>>> ports. You will have to specifically request unblocking for port 25.
>>>>
>>>> Both will let you know if they're getting complaints about your web or
>>>> SMTP services.
>>>>
>>>> Both give you a static IP and the option to rent out a block. You'll
>>>> have
>>>> to contact them to request RR records.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, Cox doesn't understand the concept of a static IP. I
>>>> have had 3 yanked out from me with at most a couple days notice. One was
>>>> zero notice because they didn't notice my IP was in use. That was years
>>>> ago, but I was obviously massively underimpressed with Cox customer
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> ciao,
>>>>
>>>> der.hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 7:01 PM, "Eric Oyen" <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> oh joy! they would make you have to adapt to a new technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, You can't get there
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> here Dept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking at a node.js nginx build because my current hosting
>>>>>> company
>>>>>> won't support node.js without a Vps and I cannot wrap my head around
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Google cloud app engine yet for posting node.js yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 6:50 PM, "Eric Oyen" <> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yep. :)
>>>>>>> I am going to have to setup a DMZ on my personal router pointed to a
>>>>>>> specific machine. there I will have to setup the web server, a site
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> I will need to register) and a few other goodies. nice thing about my
>>>>>>> router, I can assign separate subnet segments to each port. this
>>>>>>> way, if
>>>>>>> anyone gets control of the web server, about all they can see is that
>>>>>>> subnet (and the administrative interface for the router will
>>>>>>> definitely be
>>>>>>> locked out on that port, so no control there either).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my only questiild, IT support Dept.
>>>>>>> on, what to use as a web server (I am also looking at putting an SDR
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> there for remote hf/vhf/uhf/shf reception). I was thinking a
>>>>>>> raspberry pie
>>>>>>> late generation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Gu
>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got in when they were around 2 tb. And since then they reset it to
>>>>>>> unlimited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny thing is running my own web server of an SSD cached Mac mini
>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>> like a champ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 5:29 PM, "Eric Oyen" <> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>>> it took a little thinking to come up with the figure they quote for
>>>>>>>> monthly usage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider that a typical 1080p Hi-def video stream is about 750
>>>>>>>> Kb/sec.
>>>>>>>> if left going 24/7 for 30 days, that would be 2.7 GB per hour or
>>>>>>>> about 64
>>>>>>>> Gb per day. over the course of a month, that is: 1.944 Tb. now, so
>>>>>>>> far as I
>>>>>>>> know, no one leaves their TV on live stream 24/7 for 30 days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so, given normal usage patterns (tv watching of about 20 hours per
>>>>>>>> week), plus web browsing and email, etc, 1 TB would be max typical
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>> standard residential circuit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> now, I do have a room mate who falls asleep with the tv streaming
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> content or another, so it's quite possible that we are over 1 TB
>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>> last 30 days. Since I am on biz class here, I don't have to worry
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> that 1 TB cap. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>>> from the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Internet streaming
>>>>>>>> Dept.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Brian Cluff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow... so they are literally selling you a connection that you can
>>>>>>>> exceed your monthly allowance in a little over 15 minutes of use if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> could find a service that would saturate your connection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LAME!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian Cluff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2017 03:26 PM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. Looks like they did change it right after I got it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cox.com/aboutus/policies/speeds-and-data-plans.h
>>>>>>>> tml?zip=85228
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 12:48 PM, "Jerry Snitselaar" <>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun Nov 19 17, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last I read gigablast was 2t not 1.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What it shows on the page for services and offers is 1024gb.
>>>>>>>>> Could be a
>>>>>>>>> typo,
>>>>>>>>> but the offer details page also said all plans offer 1024gb data.
>>>>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> out when I call. :) Would be nice if it was 2t, that would mean I
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> drop
>>>>>>>>> the $30 I pay for the extra 500gb cushion each month, and
>>>>>>>>> basically pay
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> I'm paying now to get gigablast. I do think I remember seeing
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> one point where it was 2t, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2017 12:05 PM, <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat Nov 18 17, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is what i had before gig. And the service was great. But i
>>>>>>>>>> use way
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> more than 1t of data in a month. So gig was actually a savings.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They have capped new gigablast subscribers with the 1tb limit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>> If you had it prior to late Sept, then you continue to get the
>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017 4:38 PM, <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am using Cox Communications "Ultimate" package. 300 Mbps
>>>>>>>>>>> download,
>>>>>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mbps upload, with measured values usually 5 to 10 percent above
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> values. Also I get 1 Tbyte usage per month. the price is $100
>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very pleased with this service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- Original Message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Cox Gigablast
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Eric Oyen" <>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 11/18/17 10:48 am
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> rg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> let me dig up the sales number for cox business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find the phone number directly, but there is this
>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cox.com/business/contact-us/contact-sales.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just called them through their residential number. they gave
>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> number for direct contact: 800-529-5118 <(800)%20529-5118>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> btw, I am on cox business premier service. it's 50 mbits/11
>>>>>>>>>>>> mbits
>>>>>>>>>>>> for only
>>>>>>>>>>>> $79 monthly. I also use chrome cast here from youtube tv for
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> $35 a
>>>>>>>>>>>> month. so, I am definitely spending over $140 less than I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> residential service (including tv).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Oyen
>>>>>>>>>>>> From the central offices of the Technomage Guild, Support
>>>>>>>>>>>> Referrals
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:33 AM, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'll take you up on that. Any information on how I get
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> promised land would be very welcome!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017 10:20, "Eric Oyen" <>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you might have to call cox business and speak to Jame Hidalgo.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He is
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> contact over there. btw, business class internet doesn't suffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard cap that you got charged for this last time out. they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the fiber that you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now, sure, most of the tier 1 droids at residential customer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> service are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good people. However, anyone who has ever worked a CSr desk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all have to run from a script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, if you call Jame Hidalgo at cox business, please tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referred you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric OYen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the central office of the Technomage Guild, Internet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> services
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referrals Dept.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:44 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asked for a supervisor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-11-17 12:38, Snyder, Alexander J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind of irritated by this ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cox lays fiber in my subdivision, has the service trucks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Gigablast" vinyl adverts ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Service folk gladly sharing that "it's for gigablast" ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did my giddy dance, nerdgasm, the whole 9 yards ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I called them each week and spoke to customer service folks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be less informed than the guy last week ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bro ... that was 6 months ago. >:-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only major development was Cox billing me for going over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1TB a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth a month.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Friends in Auhtukee and Glendale have it, and are quite happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why can't I have this happiness?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AloneAndHopless ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2017 12:13, "Jerry Snitselaar" <>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone using this service? It looks like it finally arrived in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neighborhood. I'd prefer to try Google Fiber, but that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead in the valley since their competitors complained about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were able to make with the cities. So tempted to upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.
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