There has been a move towards going independent. Might be the solution.
I hear the next administration might nix the H1B.
On 2016-12-07 09:24, Eric Oyen wrote:
> well, there is something else in the picture here that hasn't been
> mentioned. what about all that student aid debt that a lot of us still
> have to pay for? Seriously, these companies expect you to get a top
> education, have a degree and then work you for peanuts? that education
> costs a lot of money and it's going to be hard to pay it off if you
> don't earn enough to break even on rent, utilities, food,ACA insurance
> and student loan payments. something has got to give.
>
> -eric
> home office of the Technomage guild.
>
> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> There is more to the picture.
>>
>> About 17 years ago I found out the UofA was charging foreign students
>> 95% of the cost of their education. That means the American tax payer
>> is paying the difference. I do not know if this has been corrected or
>> is actually worse.
>>
>> In one of my earlier posts I wrote that most of this technology was
>> created in the USA by tax payer dollars.
>>
>> Then add in the remittance. It is my understanding most of these
>> H1B's will live very frugal lifestyles while sending some of there
>> earnings back to the home land. That hurts our economy.
>>
>> And if the H1B has any children while here, the child is a citizen.
>> Then with chain migration the H1B visa holder's child who is a citizen
>> can now have his/her family (extended) emigrated.
>>
>> And while the H1B visa holder is here, they can access any of the Gov.
>> benefits that may apply, such as, providing home nursing care for
>> their child.
>>
>> Oh, and if they bring any dependant children you will pay for their
>> education, health care, etc.
>>
>> In a nutshell, you and your famtrainily paid for the tech, you may
>> have subsidised their education, you may pay for their health care and
>> other government benefits, educate their children, and more while your
>> wages go down or in the case of McDonalds you might lose your job
>> altogether.
>> http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/18/mcdonalds-hires-foreign-h-1bs-fires-70-american-accounting-staff/
>>
>> If there is a shortage of tech workers then way not figure out a way
>> to train some people?
>>
>> If there is a shortage why is that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-12-07 07:18, George Toft wrote:
>>> Jumping a little late . .
>>> "So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?" <-- not
>>> even close where I work. How about $60-80K lower?
>>> My employer pays Tata Consulting $66K/year for DBA's. They keep 1/3
>>> so the H1B worker gets $44K. That's $22/hr - soon to be just double
>>> minimum wage. This H1B worker usually comes with a Master's Degree
>>> in
>>> Computer Science or similar.
>>> Find me one American with a Graduate Degree in Science willing to
>>> work
>>> for $22/hr. Yes, the struggle is real to find talent [that will work
>>> for peanuts]. Almost everyone I know makes more than that, except
>>> those in the fast-food industry. So where's the incentive to get a
>>> degree?
>>> I call it "exploitation."
>>> Regards,
>>> George Toft
>>> On 11/8/2016 10:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote:
>>>> More propaganda from right-wing pro-corporate anti-American talking
>>>> heads about a topic they are ill-informed about.
>>>> (Most Americans have no clue about US immigraion laws.)
>>>> The recent Defense Appropriations Budget opened the floodgates to
>>>> H-1B visas, thanks to non-stop lobbying from large US tech firms
>>>> like Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, Dell, etc.
>>>> I saw something a while back on cable channel that covers congress,
>>>> and it was a public meeting of some sort about H-1B issues.
>>>> Representatives from Microsoft, HP, and some huge consulting firm.
>>>> One interesting thing they all agreed upon was that their budget for
>>>> prosecuting each H-1B visa was $50k. This was ONLY for the legal
>>>> fees! Then there was salary, benefits, relocation, and later on the
>>>> legal fees and relocation expenses for their family members.
>>>> Forget about annual salaries for a minute, which I don’t believe
>>>> are really that much lower for people residing here in America and
>>>> awaiting permanent residency (green cards).
>>>> Here’s what job offers for US Citizens would look like if they
>>>> were comparable to H-1B offers:
>>>> *
>>>> $50k hiring bonus (used for legal fees)
>>>> *
>>>> Full relocation (from overseas, way more expensive than even across
>>>> country in USA)
>>>> *
>>>> Guaranteed job for 6-10 years (how long it takes for green cards to
>>>> issue)
>>>> *
>>>> Guaranteed on-the-job training for whatever new projects these
>>>> people are destined to fill during their 6-10 year tenure
>>>> *
>>>> Full relocation to other cities that might have projects these
>>>> people can fill to keep employed
>>>> *
>>>> Tacit agreement to never complain, never file any kind of labor
>>>> actions or lawsuits against the company for any reason at all
>>>> So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?
>>>> Would YOU accept a job with these “benefits” for a slightly
>>>> lower salary like this???
>>>> -David Schwartz
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Keith Smith
>>>>> <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> While at the polls I talked with a man running for Chandler City
>>>>> Council who told me the H1B Visa was necessary because there are
>>>>> not enough qualified Americans to fill those positions.
>>>>> I do not agree. And if it is true then why, for example, is there
>>>>> no Microsoft University that finds those with the talent and help
>>>>> develop them into the qualified employee they are looking for? It
>>>>> is my understanding M$ is one of the biggest users of the H1B Visa
>>>>> program.
>>>>> This is an example of there not being an shortage. -->> McDonald's
>>>>> lays off 70 American accountants from Ohio and gives their jobs to
>>>>> foreign workers as part of cost-cutting exercise
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3800381/McDonald-s-lays-70-American-accountants-Ohio-gives-jobs-foreign-workers-cost-cutting-measure.html
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