well, there is something else in the picture here that hasn't been mentioned. what about all that student aid debt that a lot of us still have to pay for? Seriously, these companies expect you to get a top education, have a degree and then work you for peanuts? that education costs a lot of money and it's going to be hard to pay it off if you don't earn enough to break even on rent, utilities, food,ACA insurance and student loan payments. something has got to give.
-eric
home office of the Technomage guild.
On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
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> There is more to the picture.
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> About 17 years ago I found out the UofA was charging foreign students 95% of the cost of their education. That means the American tax payer is paying the difference. I do not know if this has been corrected or is actually worse.
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> In one of my earlier posts I wrote that most of this technology was created in the USA by tax payer dollars.
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> Then add in the remittance. It is my understanding most of these H1B's will live very frugal lifestyles while sending some of there earnings back to the home land. That hurts our economy.
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> And if the H1B has any children while here, the child is a citizen. Then with chain migration the H1B visa holder's child who is a citizen can now have his/her family (extended) emigrated.
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> And while the H1B visa holder is here, they can access any of the Gov. benefits that may apply, such as, providing home nursing care for their child.
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> Oh, and if they bring any dependant children you will pay for their education, health care, etc.
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> In a nutshell, you and your famtrainily paid for the tech, you may have subsidised their education, you may pay for their health care and other government benefits, educate their children, and more while your wages go down or in the case of McDonalds you might lose your job altogether. http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/18/mcdonalds-hires-foreign-h-1bs-fires-70-american-accounting-staff/
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> If there is a shortage of tech workers then way not figure out a way to train some people?
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> If there is a shortage why is that?
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> On 2016-12-07 07:18, George Toft wrote:
>> Jumping a little late . .
>> "So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?" <-- not
>> even close where I work. How about $60-80K lower?
>> My employer pays Tata Consulting $66K/year for DBA's. They keep 1/3
>> so the H1B worker gets $44K. That's $22/hr - soon to be just double
>> minimum wage. This H1B worker usually comes with a Master's Degree in
>> Computer Science or similar.
>> Find me one American with a Graduate Degree in Science willing to work
>> for $22/hr. Yes, the struggle is real to find talent [that will work
>> for peanuts]. Almost everyone I know makes more than that, except
>> those in the fast-food industry. So where's the incentive to get a
>> degree?
>> I call it "exploitation."
>> Regards,
>> George Toft
>> On 11/8/2016 10:46 AM, David Schwartz wrote:
>>> More propaganda from right-wing pro-corporate anti-American talking
>>> heads about a topic they are ill-informed about.
>>> (Most Americans have no clue about US immigraion laws.)
>>> The recent Defense Appropriations Budget opened the floodgates to
>>> H-1B visas, thanks to non-stop lobbying from large US tech firms
>>> like Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, Dell, etc.
>>> I saw something a while back on cable channel that covers congress,
>>> and it was a public meeting of some sort about H-1B issues.
>>> Representatives from Microsoft, HP, and some huge consulting firm.
>>> One interesting thing they all agreed upon was that their budget for
>>> prosecuting each H-1B visa was $50k. This was ONLY for the legal
>>> fees! Then there was salary, benefits, relocation, and later on the
>>> legal fees and relocation expenses for their family members.
>>> Forget about annual salaries for a minute, which I don’t believe
>>> are really that much lower for people residing here in America and
>>> awaiting permanent residency (green cards).
>>> Here’s what job offers for US Citizens would look like if they
>>> were comparable to H-1B offers:
>>> *
>>> $50k hiring bonus (used for legal fees)
>>> *
>>> Full relocation (from overseas, way more expensive than even across
>>> country in USA)
>>> *
>>> Guaranteed job for 6-10 years (how long it takes for green cards to
>>> issue)
>>> *
>>> Guaranteed on-the-job training for whatever new projects these
>>> people are destined to fill during their 6-10 year tenure
>>> *
>>> Full relocation to other cities that might have projects these
>>> people can fill to keep employed
>>> *
>>> Tacit agreement to never complain, never file any kind of labor
>>> actions or lawsuits against the company for any reason at all
>>> So what if they get paid $10-$20k lower annual salaries?
>>> Would YOU accept a job with these “benefits” for a slightly
>>> lower salary like this???
>>> -David Schwartz
>>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Keith Smith
>>>> <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> While at the polls I talked with a man running for Chandler City
>>>> Council who told me the H1B Visa was necessary because there are
>>>> not enough qualified Americans to fill those positions.
>>>> I do not agree. And if it is true then why, for example, is there
>>>> no Microsoft University that finds those with the talent and help
>>>> develop them into the qualified employee they are looking for? It
>>>> is my understanding M$ is one of the biggest users of the H1B Visa
>>>> program.
>>>> This is an example of there not being an shortage. -->> McDonald's
>>>> lays off 70 American accountants from Ohio and gives their jobs to
>>>> foreign workers as part of cost-cutting exercise
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3800381/McDonald-s-lays-70-American-accountants-Ohio-gives-jobs-foreign-workers-cost-cutting-measure.html
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