I would like to address one specific point.
This specific claim of "sexual harassment" has been made several times now
on this list. I have offered to intervene or mediate in the past to a
response of silence. Continuing to refer back to this supposed incident,
again and again whenever there is some other unrelated complaint,
accomplishes nothing and instead needlessly harms the image of PLUG to
potential members.
If there is a problem let's address it as adults already. Otherwise let's
please stop slinging mud at each other. Lisa, you take offence at what you
perceive to be a gender-motivated slight. I, and probably many of us, take
offence at good people being repeatedly publicly accused of things the
accuser declines to work out. Let's either deal with this or drop it.
I have been an active PLUG member for 7 or 8 years now. In that time I
have never once, not even for a nanosecond, felt anything but welcome and
respected by everyone I have had the pleasure of interacting with in this
group, online and in person. I have never felt my sex or gender had the
slightest thing to do with anything.
To anyone in the PLUG membership, female or otherwise, who have
reservations about participating I would be happy to chat with you about
those concerns. I can be reached via email, in the Freenode #plugaz
channel, or at Gangplank in Chandler during business hours.
- Jill
(PS - can we also please stop hyperbolizing? The idea that PLUG is a gang
is simply ridiculous.)
https://www.ncjrs.gov/spotlight/gangs/summary.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang
On 2014-11-30 15:22, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Hans/(All),
>
> PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is going to
> have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via schedule
> removal a healthy regular popular venue.
>
> PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") is going to have to reference when those rules
were
> published and when they were delivered to me.
>
> EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not
> allow:
>
> 1) Specific wording in announcements.
> 2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content.
> 3) Presentation postings.
>
> Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own
websites
> to support their presentations and community endeavors include:
>
> Ryan Rix
> Alan Dayley
> Joseph Sinclair
> Brian Cluff
> Alexander Henry
>
> The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with other
> cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los Angeles and
> Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG can be.
>
> Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars each
> year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like Installfest
> without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 rider under
> another PLUG to allow income tax relief.
>
> Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and
> issues:
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html
>
> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html
>
> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and
> venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools
> (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct teacher])
are
> obvious.
>
> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year successful
> event like the HackFest is HUGE.
>
> I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want
> support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove
> "Presidential dictatorship") with a long laundry list of reasons from
> sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger to
> women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during public
> community events [which I have experienced twice myself]) to outright
> misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local businesses] and
> PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project ABLEConf) as well
as
> inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa Community College during
> "OpenSource" community venues.
>
> I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities, but
> "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live in threat
> of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle relationships" (or make
> decisions like drop a healthy venue without written rules or warning) is
> nothing more than a "GANG" and is destined to die.
>
> 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from the
> calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not called
> or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and active interns have
> been historically very changeable and this could be easily arranged at
> DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck.
>
> 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more than
> one mailing list with the same content is disallowed? It is not on any
of
> the mailing list phxlinux.org pages?
>
> 3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any
> PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day? Is
> that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH]
>
> I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released in
> the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will happily
> leave the phxlinux.org and PLUG name out of that code.
>
> Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the
> mailing lists.
>
> Happy ThanksGiving
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
>
> > Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:
> >
> > moin moin Lisa,
> >
> > I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd Saturday of
> >> every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar?
> >>
> >
> > You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your own web
> > site and mailing list for your group.
> >
>
>
> >
> > You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop
> > cross-posting to multiple lists.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
> >
> >
> > Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students from ITT
and
> >> strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra credit to
their
> >> security students for attendance.
> >>
> >> DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is actually
> >> used in context with student related open source activities) at OneNeck
> >> which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN server,
Security
> >> Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration purposes, all
of
> >> which has been built entirely with community contributed assets and
intern
> >> effort. We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use, promotional
> >> tee
> >> shirts and shared DefCon videos each year.
> >>
> >> We have a large following of local security professionals, with visits
> >> from
> >> University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the Army and
> >> GoDaddy staff.
> >>
> >> I have received no notice related to any new requirements or change?
> >>
> >> I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list since
2008
> >> and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements?
> >>
> >> Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the PLUG
Schedule.
> >>
> >> 2nd Saturday of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM.
> >> DeVry University
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >
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