I think If I were just starting out with Linux and chose Ubuntu I'd be
happy with it; it only annoys me because they reinvented an already working
wheel that I've had 20 years to get used to :)
I have a feeling that Ubuntu/Fedora will pick up a ton of users when XP is
mandated out of existence in April.
-- JD Austin
Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek)
jd@twingeckos.com
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Paul Mooring <
paul@opscode.com> wrote:
> Not sure what I started here, but to clarify I didn't mean my comment as
> a knock against Ubuntu, it's a distro that works hard to achieve goals that
> aren't of interest to me. If other people like it that's great, but I'm
> not particularly interested in getting more people to use any particular
> distro or Linux in general. I just happen to be the sort of user that
> spends 90% of my time in my shell and a distro that fits that paradigm will
> be at odds with a motto like "Linux for human beings".
>
> As a side note, I do think it's justifiable to worry about the future of
> Linux if the well-funded distros focus on consumers. Linux's server market
> share is massive, it's desktop market share not so much. The more we rally
> around systems that facilitate desktops and get in the way on servers the
> less advantageous it is for the people paying for Linux development to keep
> doing so. Regardless of how you feel about Enterprise Linux without Red Hat
> (the company) success we would be years behind where we are right now.
>
>
>
> Paul Mooring
> Operations Engineer
> www.opscode.com
>
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> *From:* plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org <
> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org> on behalf of Stephen <
> cryptworks@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:05 AM
>
> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: Switched off Ubuntu
>
> Part of Ubuntu's Success is making Linux something anyone can use
> without having to invest in getting over such a steep learning curve. Well
> done there. Part of what Draws us to Linux is we can do what we want with
> it. We mold the experience to our desires. Ubuntu is becoming a pretty
> solid gateway for people that would never have considered Linux before to
> now realize it is powerful, useable, and professional.
>
> And yes there is some sacrifice for it. It is loaded in a hey you can
> use this right now and we think its awesome. this allows for a common
> interface to enhance documentation and support, which is where ubuntu makes
> a majority of its money (which i personally applaud).
>
> Is it the best distro ever, no. does it do what I want and how i want
> it. mostly. But even with the unified presence delivered by ubuntu I can
> still chose to do things my way.
>
> I have yet to find a perfect home distro, I really do not think i will.
> to be honest aside from where some config files are, and package management
> they are all so similar its nutty to consider how may distros there are
> that are simply variations of a root distro.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Kevin Fries <kevin@fries-biro.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm with you Paul. I have been feeling less and less in control of my
>> desktop o er the past few years. If I wanted to be told what was "good"
>> for me why would I not be using Windows or Mac? Lately I have been using
>> Arch and begun remembering why it was I liked Linux to start with. I
>> think I found a new "distro-home" at least for a little while.
>>
>> Kevin
>> On Jul 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "Paul Mooring" <paul@opscode.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In my case Unity was more like the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>> I don't particularly care for any of the changes Ubuntu made and have
>>> never liked debian packaging. I could maybe put up with upstart or unity
>>> or the frequent broken upgrade cycle on their own, but once unity launched
>>> and it was one more thing to hack around I had reached the point of wanting
>>> to just find greener pastures.
>>>
>>> That being said, you're right just switching distros for the desktop
>>> environment wouldn't make a whole lot of since, but things like apt (and
>>> it's overly opinionated packages) and upstart are too integral to the OS to
>>> make using alternatives not a huge pain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Mooring
>>> Operations Engineer
>>> www.opscode.com
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org <
>>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org> on behalf of Stephen <
>>> cryptworks@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:26 AM
>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>>> *Subject:* Re: @@@ Pre-order your UBUNTU EDGE convergence phone today
>>> :) @@@
>>>
>>> I find it weird that people will drop a distribution because of unit.
>>> I dislike it, but it is so easy to flip to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, TWM, whatever
>>> that the overall hardware compatibility i get with an Ubuntu install
>>> combined with the ease of use apt management system and the huge supply of
>>> goodies in the repo far outweigh unity. besides, I'm pretty sure the
>>> default desktop experience will be configurable because Linux is cool like
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Paul Mooring <paul@opscode.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that's how a lot of people feel, I disliked unity enough to
>>>> finally switch distros and haven't looked back since. That being said,
>>>> if
>>>> canonical can actually deliver on the dream of dropping my phone into a
>>>> dock and having a full Linux desktop and then just pulling it out and
>>>> taking it with me when I'm done, I'll put up with Unity without any
>>>> complaints at all.
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Mooring
>>>> Operations Engineer
>>>>
>>>> www.opscode.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/29/13 6:17 PM, "Michael Butash" <michael@butash.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I agree, I bought in on one - I really hope they come though. I'm
>>>> super
>>>> >stoked for this...
>>>> >
>>>> >I've tried with android phones running linux atop their kernel, but ui
>>>> >is always a bit clunky/unusable (unity just simply never worked). I'm
>>>> >keen to see just how functional they or I can make the desktop
>>>> >experience, as normally first thing I do is disable unity with ubuntu.
>>>> >
>>>> >Need a local hackfest if/when these come through.
>>>> >
>>>> >-mb
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >On 07/26/2013 11:18 AM, Paul Mooring wrote:
>>>> >> Keep in mind what they are shooting for is convergence, a multi-core
>>>> >> processor with 4GB(+?) of RAM that acts as the "brain" of your
>>>> desktop
>>>> >> computer. At $725 people would call this a steal as an ultra-light
>>>> >> laptop, combine that with a carrier like T-mobile that allows you to
>>>> not
>>>> >> pay for a phone if you don't get one and that's a whole lot of value
>>>> for
>>>> >> less than $1k.
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Paul Mooring
>>>> >> Operations Engineer
>>>> >>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>>
>>> Stephen
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