I think If I were just starting out with Linux and chose Ubuntu I'd be happy with it; it only annoys me because they reinvented an already working wheel that I've had 20 years to get used to :) I have a feeling that Ubuntu/Fedora will pick up a ton of users when XP is mandated out of existence in April. -- JD Austin Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) jd@twingeckos.com On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: > Not sure what I started here, but to clarify I didn't mean my comment as > a knock against Ubuntu, it's a distro that works hard to achieve goals that > aren't of interest to me. If other people like it that's great, but I'm > not particularly interested in getting more people to use any particular > distro or Linux in general. I just happen to be the sort of user that > spends 90% of my time in my shell and a distro that fits that paradigm will > be at odds with a motto like "Linux for human beings". > > As a side note, I do think it's justifiable to worry about the future of > Linux if the well-funded distros focus on consumers. Linux's server market > share is massive, it's desktop market share not so much. The more we rally > around systems that facilitate desktops and get in the way on servers the > less advantageous it is for the people paying for Linux development to keep > doing so. Regardless of how you feel about Enterprise Linux without Red Hat > (the company) success we would be years behind where we are right now. > > > > Paul Mooring > Operations Engineer > www.opscode.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org < > plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org> on behalf of Stephen < > cryptworks@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:05 AM > > *To:* Main PLUG discussion list > *Subject:* Re: Switched off Ubuntu > > Part of Ubuntu's Success is making Linux something anyone can use > without having to invest in getting over such a steep learning curve. Well > done there. Part of what Draws us to Linux is we can do what we want with > it. We mold the experience to our desires. Ubuntu is becoming a pretty > solid gateway for people that would never have considered Linux before to > now realize it is powerful, useable, and professional. > > And yes there is some sacrifice for it. It is loaded in a hey you can > use this right now and we think its awesome. this allows for a common > interface to enhance documentation and support, which is where ubuntu makes > a majority of its money (which i personally applaud). > > Is it the best distro ever, no. does it do what I want and how i want > it. mostly. But even with the unified presence delivered by ubuntu I can > still chose to do things my way. > > I have yet to find a perfect home distro, I really do not think i will. > to be honest aside from where some config files are, and package management > they are all so similar its nutty to consider how may distros there are > that are simply variations of a root distro. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Kevin Fries wrote: > >> I'm with you Paul. I have been feeling less and less in control of my >> desktop o er the past few years. If I wanted to be told what was "good" >> for me why would I not be using Windows or Mac? Lately I have been using >> Arch and begun remembering why it was I liked Linux to start with. I >> think I found a new "distro-home" at least for a little while. >> >> Kevin >> On Jul 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "Paul Mooring" wrote: >> >>> In my case Unity was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. >>> I don't particularly care for any of the changes Ubuntu made and have >>> never liked debian packaging. I could maybe put up with upstart or unity >>> or the frequent broken upgrade cycle on their own, but once unity launched >>> and it was one more thing to hack around I had reached the point of wanting >>> to just find greener pastures. >>> >>> That being said, you're right just switching distros for the desktop >>> environment wouldn't make a whole lot of since, but things like apt (and >>> it's overly opinionated packages) and upstart are too integral to the OS to >>> make using alternatives not a huge pain. >>> >>> >>> Paul Mooring >>> Operations Engineer >>> www.opscode.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org < >>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org> on behalf of Stephen < >>> cryptworks@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:26 AM >>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>> *Subject:* Re: @@@ Pre-order your UBUNTU EDGE convergence phone today >>> :) @@@ >>> >>> I find it weird that people will drop a distribution because of unit. >>> I dislike it, but it is so easy to flip to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, TWM, whatever >>> that the overall hardware compatibility i get with an Ubuntu install >>> combined with the ease of use apt management system and the huge supply of >>> goodies in the repo far outweigh unity. besides, I'm pretty sure the >>> default desktop experience will be configurable because Linux is cool like >>> that. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: >>> >>>> I think that's how a lot of people feel, I disliked unity enough to >>>> finally switch distros and haven't looked back since. That being said, >>>> if >>>> canonical can actually deliver on the dream of dropping my phone into a >>>> dock and having a full Linux desktop and then just pulling it out and >>>> taking it with me when I'm done, I'll put up with Unity without any >>>> complaints at all. >>>> -- >>>> Paul Mooring >>>> Operations Engineer >>>> >>>> www.opscode.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/29/13 6:17 PM, "Michael Butash" wrote: >>>> >>>> >I agree, I bought in on one - I really hope they come though. I'm >>>> super >>>> >stoked for this... >>>> > >>>> >I've tried with android phones running linux atop their kernel, but ui >>>> >is always a bit clunky/unusable (unity just simply never worked). I'm >>>> >keen to see just how functional they or I can make the desktop >>>> >experience, as normally first thing I do is disable unity with ubuntu. >>>> > >>>> >Need a local hackfest if/when these come through. >>>> > >>>> >-mb >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >On 07/26/2013 11:18 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: >>>> >> Keep in mind what they are shooting for is convergence, a multi-core >>>> >> processor with 4GB(+?) of RAM that acts as the "brain" of your >>>> desktop >>>> >> computer. At $725 people would call this a steal as an ultra-light >>>> >> laptop, combine that with a carrier like T-mobile that allows you to >>>> not >>>> >> pay for a phone if you don't get one and that's a whole lot of value >>>> for >>>> >> less than $1k. >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Paul Mooring >>>> >> Operations Engineer >>>> >> >>>> >--------------------------------------------------- >>>> >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> >http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >