Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX

I have always be a free market man and have always been against government intervention. And I have always been against the bailout.

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Keith Smith


--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:49 PM
>   again totally agree with you
> here, esp. with regards to 1)
> hyperinflation, 2) china.  (btw- didn't you initially
> support the
> bailouts on this list?).  You can buy and hold gold in
> small
> quantities with BuillionVault.com .  The biggest
> problem we have will
> be China- if we break our promises regarding inflation with
> them
> anything could happen.
>
>   -jmz
>
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, keith smith<klsmith2020@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Some think deregulation was a factor.  Bailing out
> thosw who made bad decisions is even worse.
> >
> > We should have let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt at the
> get go.  We should have held those accountable for risky
> loans accountable not bailed them out.
> >
> > Yeas we have a problem.  And businesses are predatory
> by nature.  Nothing a few class action law suits can cure.
> >
> > We need the free market to find equilibrium and with
> government intervention we have an artificial prop.
> >
> > Hope it does not happen however there are people what
> are saying our economy is going to tank because of the
> government trying to intervene and correct the market.
> >
> > I will agree, some government is good.  I will also
> say we have a government that is way too large.  Maybe by
> as much as 85%.
> >
> > Wait til you social security disappears and we move
> into hyper inflation.
> >
> > I wish I could by a lot of gold.
> >
> > We have set ourselves up for failure.  China of all
> countries owns some 2 trillion in our national debt.  How
> does that help us?  It has much potential to hurt us.
> >
> > We are in bed with a country that kills people that
> stand up against the government.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Keith Smith
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> >> Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff
> to do in PHX
> >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:27 PM
> >> On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 21:20 -0700,
> >> keith smith wrote:
> >> > If you are referring to the courts that is
> one thing
> >> the government
> >> > needs to do.
> >> >
> >> > Water
> >> > Sewer
> >> > Trash pickup
> >> > Streets
> >> > Police
> >> > Fire
> >> > Standing Army
> >> > and one or two other things.
> >> >
> >> > Everything else needs to be removed from the
> >> government.
> >> >
> >> > Using the courts to resolve a dispute is
> differently
> >> from the
> >> > government providing for our business needs.
> >> >
> >> > Free enterprise.  Do you think as a small
> >> business owner I am afforded
> >> > any protection under the law.  Not
> >> happening.  Only the big guys get
> >> > help from the government.
> >> >
> >> > I really have to get a few things done so i
> will sing
> >> off for now.
> >> >
> >> > Keep in mind I'm for small government and a
> free
> >> market.
> >> ----
> >> the problem is that free market has now proven to
> be a
> >> disaster. The
> >> current economic mess is a direct result of
> deregulating
> >> things like the
> >> banks, Wall Street, etc. While the John Galt logic
> sounded
> >> pretty good,
> >> it simply didn't work and the great Ayn Rand
> disciple,
> >> Greenspan got it
> >> all wrong. We are paying the consequences for this
> now and
> >> will be
> >> paying even more consequences as the next wave of
> home and
> >> commercial
> >> property foreclosures ramp up, unemployment starts
> to climb
> >> again and
> >> more and more people's unemployment benefits
> expire. Free
> >> market is a
> >> great concept that simply doesn't work because
> corporate
> >> interests are
> >> predatory and irresponsible.
> >>
> >> The acknowledgment that essential government
> services
> >> listed above
> >> justifies the role of government and you want to
> argue that
> >> it should do
> >> no more. There is much more government should be
> >> doing...but they have
> >> abrogated their responsibilities in things like
> consumer
> >> protection.
> >>
> >> Government will always be a problem but no
> government is a
> >> worse problem
> >> considering the amount of people and the current
> trend of
> >> business
> >> practices.
> >>
> >>
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