I have always be a free market man and have always been against government intervention. And I have always been against the bailout. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > From: Joshua Zeidner > Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff to do in PHX > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:49 PM >   again totally agree with you > here, esp. with regards to 1) > hyperinflation, 2) china.  (btw- didn't you initially > support the > bailouts on this list?).  You can buy and hold gold in > small > quantities with BuillionVault.com .  The biggest > problem we have will > be China- if we break our promises regarding inflation with > them > anything could happen. > >   -jmz > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, keith smith > wrote: > > > > > > Some think deregulation was a factor.  Bailing out > thosw who made bad decisions is even worse. > > > > We should have let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt at the > get go.  We should have held those accountable for risky > loans accountable not bailed them out. > > > > Yeas we have a problem.  And businesses are predatory > by nature.  Nothing a few class action law suits can cure. > > > > We need the free market to find equilibrium and with > government intervention we have an artificial prop. > > > > Hope it does not happen however there are people what > are saying our economy is going to tank because of the > government trying to intervene and correct the market. > > > > I will agree, some government is good.  I will also > say we have a government that is way too large.  Maybe by > as much as 85%. > > > > Wait til you social security disappears and we move > into hyper inflation. > > > > I wish I could by a lot of gold. > > > > We have set ourselves up for failure.  China of all > countries owns some 2 trillion in our national debt.  How > does that help us?  It has much potential to hurt us. > > > > We are in bed with a country that kills people that > stand up against the government. > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Keith Smith > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Craig White > wrote: > > > >> From: Craig White > >> Subject: Re: ****Re: Geek/Tech/Entrepreneur Stuff > to do in PHX > >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > >> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:27 PM > >> On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 21:20 -0700, > >> keith smith wrote: > >> > If you are referring to the courts that is > one thing > >> the government > >> > needs to do. > >> > > >> > Water > >> > Sewer > >> > Trash pickup > >> > Streets > >> > Police > >> > Fire > >> > Standing Army > >> > and one or two other things. > >> > > >> > Everything else needs to be removed from the > >> government. > >> > > >> > Using the courts to resolve a dispute is > differently > >> from the > >> > government providing for our business needs. > >> > > >> > Free enterprise.  Do you think as a small > >> business owner I am afforded > >> > any protection under the law.  Not > >> happening.  Only the big guys get > >> > help from the government. > >> > > >> > I really have to get a few things done so i > will sing > >> off for now. > >> > > >> > Keep in mind I'm for small government and a > free > >> market. > >> ---- > >> the problem is that free market has now proven to > be a > >> disaster. The > >> current economic mess is a direct result of > deregulating > >> things like the > >> banks, Wall Street, etc. While the John Galt logic > sounded > >> pretty good, > >> it simply didn't work and the great Ayn Rand > disciple, > >> Greenspan got it > >> all wrong. We are paying the consequences for this > now and > >> will be > >> paying even more consequences as the next wave of > home and > >> commercial > >> property foreclosures ramp up, unemployment starts > to climb > >> again and > >> more and more people's unemployment benefits > expire. Free > >> market is a > >> great concept that simply doesn't work because > corporate > >> interests are > >> predatory and irresponsible. > >> > >> The acknowledgment that essential government > services > >> listed above > >> justifies the role of government and you want to > argue that > >> it should do > >> no more. There is much more government should be > >> doing...but they have > >> abrogated their responsibilities in things like > consumer > >> protection. > >> > >> Government will always be a problem but no > government is a > >> worse problem > >> considering the amount of people and the current > trend of > >> business > >> practices. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This message has been scanned for viruses and > >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >> believed to be clean. > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > >> settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss