Check out what I just found..
http://lifehacker.com/5141758/measurement-lab-checks-if-your-connection-is-being-throttled
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:48 AM,
kitepilot@kitepilot.com <
kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote:
> >> why should my downloads from a P2P network...
> Apologies, I think I didn't make this clear.
> My customer can (and do) download whatever they want to, what I stop is Joe
> Annon downloading P2P stuff FROM my customer's puter.
>
> >> rate limit your customers to their contracted rate and
> >> minimize over selling your bandwidth?
> This iss a pretty broad and dense statement.
> I don't know how may networks (or how big) you manage, but there is more
> than just "rate limiting".
> Never mind the wireless part...
>
> >> over selling your bandwidth?
> That's an even bigger can of worms and escape the purpose of my message,
> which is stir the discussion towards "Shaping" :)
> Enrique
>
>
>
> Shawn Badger writes:
>
> > I normally stay out of these, but I just want to ask why you don't rate
> > limit your customers to their contracted rate and minimize over selling
> your
> > bandwidth? I would that would prevent "joe the hacker" from bringing down
> > other customers in the first place. I don't have issues with stuff like
> VoIP
> > being given higher priority, but why should my downloads from a P2P
> network
> > suffer for someone watching a youtube video.
> >
> > just my 2cents
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:45 AM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com <
> > kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think that this is being taken out of context...
> >> I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims...
> >> er...
> >> CUSTOMERS! :)
> >>
> >> Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don
> care
> >> about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage".
> >>
> >> Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact most of
> >> our
> >> customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we "shape" the
> >> line.
> >>
> >> I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but having
> >> seen
> >> how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of
> "yellowish
> >> journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and laziness
> to
> >> get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few words
> from
> >> a
> >> manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something that
> >> "sells"...
> >> Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well...
> >>
> >> With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to change one
> >> word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle.
> >>
> >> For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the
> obvious
> >> ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how they
> convey
> >> aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing "Shaping".
> >>
> >> You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or
> >> everything
> >> is going to go Hell.
> >>
> >> The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine priority.
> >> VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after.
> >> Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer.
> >> Latency will kill a VoIP connection.
> >> At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds.
> >>
> >> This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular...
> >>
> >> And IS NOT TRIVIAL.
> >> In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets, never
> mind
> >> if you are dealing with an encrypted connection...
> >>
> >> Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do severe or
> >> throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for the
> >> network.
> >> Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't have
> other
> >> options.
> >>
> >> I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because Joe
> Hacker
> >> downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand hackers over
> >> the
> >> World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get their
> >> share...
> >>
> >> It's a limited resource.
> >> I explain that to my people too...
> >>
> >> Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox.
> >> But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong path.
> >> Enrique
> >>
> >> PS: Who knows here about shaping?
> >> I need help... :(
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stephen P Rufle writes:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars
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