Check out what I just found.. http://lifehacker.com/5141758/measurement-lab-checks-if-your-connection-is-being-throttled On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:48 AM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com < kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: > >> why should my downloads from a P2P network... > Apologies, I think I didn't make this clear. > My customer can (and do) download whatever they want to, what I stop is Joe > Annon downloading P2P stuff FROM my customer's puter. > > >> rate limit your customers to their contracted rate and > >> minimize over selling your bandwidth? > This iss a pretty broad and dense statement. > I don't know how may networks (or how big) you manage, but there is more > than just "rate limiting". > Never mind the wireless part... > > >> over selling your bandwidth? > That's an even bigger can of worms and escape the purpose of my message, > which is stir the discussion towards "Shaping" :) > Enrique > > > > Shawn Badger writes: > > > I normally stay out of these, but I just want to ask why you don't rate > > limit your customers to their contracted rate and minimize over selling > your > > bandwidth? I would that would prevent "joe the hacker" from bringing down > > other customers in the first place. I don't have issues with stuff like > VoIP > > being given higher priority, but why should my downloads from a P2P > network > > suffer for someone watching a youtube video. > > > > just my 2cents > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:45 AM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com < > > kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: > > > >> I think that this is being taken out of context... > >> I manage a small wireless network with around a hundred victims... > >> er... > >> CUSTOMERS! :) > >> > >> Being a wireless network, we face challenges that wired networks don > care > >> about, and when the traffic spikes, we have to "manage". > >> > >> Let me state in here that we don't do false advertising (in fact most of > >> our > >> customers are word-of-mouth), and we explain people that we "shape" the > >> line. > >> > >> I am not defending Cox and I don't know what they are doing, but having > >> seen > >> how "journalists" makeup overblown aviation news for the sake of > "yellowish > >> journalism" (or sometimes blatant ignorance of the subject and laziness > to > >> get informed), I don't have any doubt that they will grab a few words > from > >> a > >> manager, and run to the nearest keyboard to type away something that > >> "sells"... > >> Unfortunately, "truth" doesn't sell very well... > >> > >> With that said, and after donning my asbestos suit, I want to change one > >> word that probably got misplaced here: Throttle. > >> > >> For all I know (not much indeed), and from what I gather from the > obvious > >> ignorance of the reporter (again, nothing new after I see how they > convey > >> aviation "news") Cox is not doing "Throttling", Cox is doing "Shaping". > >> > >> You cannot run a network pipe without some kind of management, or > >> everything > >> is going to go Hell. > >> > >> The way this is done, is by inspecting packets to determine priority. > >> VoIP packets will be expedited and FTP packets will be sent after. > >> Latency is not an issue in an FTP transfer. > >> Latency will kill a VoIP connection. > >> At the expense or extending the FTP connection a few seconds. > >> > >> This is not unfair, this is necessary, albeit unpopular... > >> > >> And IS NOT TRIVIAL. > >> In fact, it is complex enough when you can inspect the packets, never > mind > >> if you are dealing with an encrypted connection... > >> > >> Finally, even though I don't prevent P2P in "my valley", I do severe or > >> throttle the outbound connections when they become a burden for the > >> network. > >> Most of the network is used by rural people that simply doesn't have > other > >> options. > >> > >> I can't just tell them that they can't use Internet just because Joe > Hacker > >> downloaded the latest hacked motion picture and 37 thousand hackers over > >> the > >> World are banging in the line THEY (my customers) PAY FOR! to get their > >> share... > >> > >> It's a limited resource. > >> I explain that to my people too... > >> > >> Finally, please understand that I am not defending Cox. > >> But I believe that the whole discussion is falling down the wrong path. > >> Enrique > >> > >> PS: Who knows here about shaping? > >> I need help... :( > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Stephen P Rufle writes: > >> > >> > > >> > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/cox-opens-up-throttle-for-p2p-non-time-sensitive-traffic.ars > >> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Scott Ruecker, Editor-in-Chief LXer Linux News "The world doesn't need saving. 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