On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 22:16 -0700,
Bryan.ONeal@asu.edu wrote:
> I am on several lists with Craig, and trust me, his email social skills have
> improved immensely over the last year (or so, I am really bad with time… could
> be six months, could be six years)
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actually, what you are referring to is some of my postings on the OSX
Users list - It is hard to contain my disgust from some of the things
that Apple is doing and worse, some of the blind Apple devotees who
think Apple can do no wrong and the 'at least it's not Windows
mentality' before they fire up their copy of MS Word (AFAICT - not a
single one is using openoffice.org).
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> And yes this
> thread did start out a bit harsh…
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I don't agree - I re-read the first two posts I made to Nathan's
question and think I was directly on point.
Moreover, I know fetchmail because I have been using it to get my own
email for over 2 years now and since I maintain a lot of mail servers, I
know the difference between using fetchmail and being a mailhost.
The difference becomes obvious when you are a mailhost and do two
things...
- reject mail from smtp hosts who do not resolve in reverse dns
- tempfail mail from sender/recipient/smtp server triplets that haven't
exchanged mail previously (greylisting -
www.greylisting.org)
What these two things do is take 80 - 95 % of the spam out of the
equation right off the top. You don't receive it. You don't have to
check it for viruses, you don't have to scan the headers, subject, body,
attachments for spam patterns, malicious html/scripting code etc.
If you use fetchmail, you can't reject mail that has already been
accepted so greylisting is not possible, nor is failure to resolve via
dns.
If you use fetchmail, you are pulling mail that has been accepted by
some untrusted source on your behalf and if it has problems such as null
characters in the headers, fetchmail will refuse to take it. What this
means is that I have to manually go in and delete the mail every week or
two - by hand.
OK - I guess I understand it now...the polite way of saying this...
Given the fact that you can use fetchmail to retrieve mail for other
users accepted by questionable practices by other mail hosts and that by
doing so, you cannot employ the normal substantive security and resource
efficient means to scan this mail, it is less than wonderful to do this.
Does this make everyone happy now? Have I reached PC state yet?
;-)
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> BTW Craig, would you be up for presenting Hord to the ASULUG group some time?
> We have a meeting about once a month, and we still need presenters for the Mega
> Insatllfest on the 23rd of April.
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probably would - would need a computer with internet access and we can
access my setup at my house. Where/When?
Thanks
Craig
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