When I was a CS student in 1978, the going starting salary for a
programmer was $20-25K/year. At an average of 8.5% inflation from
1978-2000, that salary should have increased by a factor of 2.5, which
is $54-63K (using rule of 72). I see average salaries lower than that
for experienced programmers, so actually, our salaries are not in
keeping
with inflation. The only benefit we've seen lately is that of market
dynamics, where the supply was weak, and the demand was strong. Now
we are undergoing a "correction."
Not that I'm a programmer now, but I was at one time.
George
Matt Alexander wrote:
>
> I like the part about needing 5 years of experience with Win2K and other operating systems that haven't been out that long. It reminds me of a few years back when I was seeing job listings for "Senior Java Developer - Must have 8-10 years experience with Java programming in an Enterprise environment."
>
> But you do make an interesting point. I think that those of us in this industry have been WAY overpaid for quite a few years now. As the carnage from the dot-com bubble settles, I'm guessing that salaries will shrink back down to a more reasonable level.
> ~M
>
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, George Toft wrote:
>
> > Hi Ray,
> >
> > From what I've seen/heard lately, companies are moving to this new
> > model:
> >
> > Admin Wanted:
> > Certified Sun System Admin, MCSE, CCNE, CNE. Requires 5 years
> > experience in Windows 2000, Solaris 8, HPUX 11.0, Novell 5, Cisco
> > Local Director, TCP/IP, PPOE, DNS, SMB. Will be responsible for 50
> > server production farm. 40 hours/week plus carry pager 24/7. Pay
> > $35-40K/year DOE.
> >
> > It's called "consolidation."
> >
> > Two things will happen:
> > 1. After an unemployed person with these qualifications, who was
> > making $150K, starts getting hungry, the position will get filled.
> >
> > 2. After these positions go unfilled for a while, the companies
> > will revise their expectations and accept what $35K will buy, or
> > they will come up on their pay.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > "Raymond P. Biondolino" wrote:
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > My name is Ray and I have included a
> > > link in this e-mail to my resume page on
> > > my website. But before you bother
> > > yourself with that, I just want to
> > > comment on something.
> > >
> > > I've been in this business a long time
> > > (translation: I'm an old man) and while
> > > I feel I have probably half or better of
> > > the skills you are requiring for this
> > > position, it just amazes me at the grand
> > > total of skills presented here. I
> > > command what I think is a fair price for
> > > my skills, but if I had the complete
> > > skill set you've put down here I would
> > > have to think I'd be worth twice what I
> > > ask for now. And it really would
> > > surprise me if you pay that much.
> > >
> > > My point is this... What would a
> > > position like this pay provided you
> > > actually found someone to meet ALL those
> > > requirements?
> > >
> > > I'm just curious!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > Resume page:
> > > http://130.13.112.229:8080/Tech/Misc/res
> > > ume/default.htm
> > >
> > > P.S. I excel at drinking Mountain Dew
> > > and eating pizza!!!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: George Toft
> > > [mailto:george@georgetoft.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:28 AM
> > > To: James_Yaple@mindspring.com;
> > > dblev@qwest.net; carieburgess@yahoo.com;
> > > wes@lonerock.com;
> > > r.dabbs@worldnet.att.net;
> > > integrationengineer@home.com;
> > > devander@qwest.net;
> > > djjaflower@hotmail.com;
> > > kristenchaseford@yahoo.com;
> > > briangibbs@home.com; phred@dancris.com;
> > > ibra65@go.com; ben42_us@yahoo.com;
> > > liz.jones@honeywell.com;
> > > philkaplan1@earthlink.net;
> > > leifheit77@aol.com;
> > > lundbergjackie@hotmail.com;
> > > jcmarean@home.com; infodrop@qwest.net;
> > > cynthiapinsky@hotmail.com;
> > > jeffp@jeffp.com; raypursley@qwest.net;
> > > saric41@home.com; rcrc001@hotmail.com;
> > > admdavid@home.com; ct85202@hotmail.com;
> > > george@georgetoft.com;
> > > s_urie@hotmail.com;
> > > naadp@uae-internetworking.com
> > > Subject: JOB: Network Engineer
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > > [Fwd: Jobposting: Network
> > > Engineer Position Available]
> > > Date:
> > > 16 Aug 2001 23:39:10 -0700
> > > From:
> > > Ken Bowley <johann@trod.org>
> > > Reply-To:
> > >
> > > plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > > To:
> > > PLUG Discuss
> > > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> > >
> > > Hello everyone!
> > >
> > > I've moved my PLUG folder off to a
> > > different file, and I'm going to
> > > attempt to start over fresh and keep up
> > > a little better this time.
> > >
> > > Now the real reason I'm writting this
> > > message is because I've been asked
> > > to put a job posting in here, so here it
> > > is:
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > ---
> > > Opnix, a VC-funded startup distributed
> > > Internet routing intelligence
> > > company, located in Tempe, Arizona seeks
> > > hard-core Network Engineer.
> > >
> > > If you want to work on the cutting edge
> > > of Internet technologies -
> > > reinventing the Internet while working
> > > long hours on challenging
> > > problems in a complex and ever changing
> > > environment with other top
> > > engineers (along with excellent benefits
> > > plus stock options!) then
> > > read on...
> > >
> > > Education / Exprience:
> > > * A minimum of 4 years experience.
> > > * 4 year college degree in Engineering
> > > or computer Science preferred.
> > >
> > > Skills required:
> > >
> > > * Individual must be motivated,
> > > ambitious, and responsible.
> > > * Must be very fluent with all aspects
> > > of BGP4.
> > > * Experience with WAN and LAN
> > > technologies including SONET, BGP4,
> > > OSPF, VRRP, 10/100/1000 Ethernet,
> > > switching, routing, multihoming,
> > > peering, VLANs, ACLs, OSI Layers 1 -
> > > 7, etc.
> > > * Experience with OC48, OC12, OC3, DS3,
> > > and T1 WAN circuits, as well as
> > > fiber, UTP, and coax LAN/MAN
> > > connectivity.
> > > * Experience with Internet and Telecom
> > > network infrastructure design,
> > > deployment, and troubleshooting.
> > > * Knowledge of SNMP, DNS, HTTP, FTP,
> > > SMTP, and other server-side
> > > protocols and systems.
> > > * Experience with Foundry/Tiara/Juniper
> > > Networks equipment.
> > > * Ability to have fun!
> > >
> > > Optional/Helpful skills:
> > >
> > > * Experience with Linux, *BSD, and/or
> > > UNIX systems and networks.
> > > * Routing/Switching protocol design and
> > > development.
> > > * Experience with Tier-1 Telecom Carrier
> > > networks.
> > > * Experience with data centers and/or
> > > colocation facilities.
> > > * Abilty to consume pizza and large
> > > quantities of Mountain Dew.
> > >
> > > Please email your resume (in plain-text
> > > ASCII format) to
> > > jobs@opnix.com, please include a list of
> > > skills/experience, salary
> > > requirements, and state the position for
> > > which you are applying.
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________
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