I like the part about needing 5 years of experience with Win2K and other operating systems that haven't been out that long. It reminds me of a few years back when I was seeing job listings for "Senior Java Developer - Must have 8-10 years experience with Java programming in an Enterprise environment."
But you do make an interesting point. I think that those of us in this industry have been WAY overpaid for quite a few years now. As the carnage from the dot-com bubble settles, I'm guessing that salaries will shrink back down to a more reasonable level.
~M
On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, George Toft wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> From what I've seen/heard lately, companies are moving to this new
> model:
>
> Admin Wanted:
> Certified Sun System Admin, MCSE, CCNE, CNE. Requires 5 years
> experience in Windows 2000, Solaris 8, HPUX 11.0, Novell 5, Cisco
> Local Director, TCP/IP, PPOE, DNS, SMB. Will be responsible for 50
> server production farm. 40 hours/week plus carry pager 24/7. Pay
> $35-40K/year DOE.
>
> It's called "consolidation."
>
> Two things will happen:
> 1. After an unemployed person with these qualifications, who was
> making $150K, starts getting hungry, the position will get filled.
>
> 2. After these positions go unfilled for a while, the companies
> will revise their expectations and accept what $35K will buy, or
> they will come up on their pay.
>
> George
>
>
> "Raymond P. Biondolino" wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > My name is Ray and I have included a
> > link in this e-mail to my resume page on
> > my website. But before you bother
> > yourself with that, I just want to
> > comment on something.
> >
> > I've been in this business a long time
> > (translation: I'm an old man) and while
> > I feel I have probably half or better of
> > the skills you are requiring for this
> > position, it just amazes me at the grand
> > total of skills presented here. I
> > command what I think is a fair price for
> > my skills, but if I had the complete
> > skill set you've put down here I would
> > have to think I'd be worth twice what I
> > ask for now. And it really would
> > surprise me if you pay that much.
> >
> > My point is this... What would a
> > position like this pay provided you
> > actually found someone to meet ALL those
> > requirements?
> >
> > I'm just curious!
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > Resume page:
> > http://130.13.112.229:8080/Tech/Misc/res
> > ume/default.htm
> >
> > P.S. I excel at drinking Mountain Dew
> > and eating pizza!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: George Toft
> > [mailto:george@georgetoft.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:28 AM
> > To: James_Yaple@mindspring.com;
> > dblev@qwest.net; carieburgess@yahoo.com;
> > wes@lonerock.com;
> > r.dabbs@worldnet.att.net;
> > integrationengineer@home.com;
> > devander@qwest.net;
> > djjaflower@hotmail.com;
> > kristenchaseford@yahoo.com;
> > briangibbs@home.com; phred@dancris.com;
> > ibra65@go.com; ben42_us@yahoo.com;
> > liz.jones@honeywell.com;
> > philkaplan1@earthlink.net;
> > leifheit77@aol.com;
> > lundbergjackie@hotmail.com;
> > jcmarean@home.com; infodrop@qwest.net;
> > cynthiapinsky@hotmail.com;
> > jeffp@jeffp.com; raypursley@qwest.net;
> > saric41@home.com; rcrc001@hotmail.com;
> > admdavid@home.com; ct85202@hotmail.com;
> > george@georgetoft.com;
> > s_urie@hotmail.com;
> > naadp@uae-internetworking.com
> > Subject: JOB: Network Engineer
> >
> > Subject:
> > [Fwd: Jobposting: Network
> > Engineer Position Available]
> > Date:
> > 16 Aug 2001 23:39:10 -0700
> > From:
> > Ken Bowley <johann@trod.org>
> > Reply-To:
> >
> > plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us
> > To:
> > PLUG Discuss
> > <plug-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us>
> >
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I've moved my PLUG folder off to a
> > different file, and I'm going to
> > attempt to start over fresh and keep up
> > a little better this time.
> >
> > Now the real reason I'm writting this
> > message is because I've been asked
> > to put a job posting in here, so here it
> > is:
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > ---
> > Opnix, a VC-funded startup distributed
> > Internet routing intelligence
> > company, located in Tempe, Arizona seeks
> > hard-core Network Engineer.
> >
> > If you want to work on the cutting edge
> > of Internet technologies -
> > reinventing the Internet while working
> > long hours on challenging
> > problems in a complex and ever changing
> > environment with other top
> > engineers (along with excellent benefits
> > plus stock options!) then
> > read on...
> >
> > Education / Exprience:
> > * A minimum of 4 years experience.
> > * 4 year college degree in Engineering
> > or computer Science preferred.
> >
> > Skills required:
> >
> > * Individual must be motivated,
> > ambitious, and responsible.
> > * Must be very fluent with all aspects
> > of BGP4.
> > * Experience with WAN and LAN
> > technologies including SONET, BGP4,
> > OSPF, VRRP, 10/100/1000 Ethernet,
> > switching, routing, multihoming,
> > peering, VLANs, ACLs, OSI Layers 1 -
> > 7, etc.
> > * Experience with OC48, OC12, OC3, DS3,
> > and T1 WAN circuits, as well as
> > fiber, UTP, and coax LAN/MAN
> > connectivity.
> > * Experience with Internet and Telecom
> > network infrastructure design,
> > deployment, and troubleshooting.
> > * Knowledge of SNMP, DNS, HTTP, FTP,
> > SMTP, and other server-side
> > protocols and systems.
> > * Experience with Foundry/Tiara/Juniper
> > Networks equipment.
> > * Ability to have fun!
> >
> > Optional/Helpful skills:
> >
> > * Experience with Linux, *BSD, and/or
> > UNIX systems and networks.
> > * Routing/Switching protocol design and
> > development.
> > * Experience with Tier-1 Telecom Carrier
> > networks.
> > * Experience with data centers and/or
> > colocation facilities.
> > * Abilty to consume pizza and large
> > quantities of Mountain Dew.
> >
> > Please email your resume (in plain-text
> > ASCII format) to
> > jobs@opnix.com, please include a list of
> > skills/experience, salary
> > requirements, and state the position for
> > which you are applying.
> >
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