gender bias

Wed Dec 3 10:54:18 MST 2014

That would June  2014.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered to do a
> presentation?
> When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of doing a
> presentation?
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG.  Topics are
>> good bit please do not deny lack of diversity.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman <michelle.lowman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used
>> to be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in
>> the group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software
>> licenses that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that
>> presentation than the audience did.  I’m not a bit shy about doing
>> presentations, so that helps. :)
>> >
>> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that when
>> I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And some
>> awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that
>> discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a
>> problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG.
>> >
>> > Michelle Lowman
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff <brian at snaptek.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they
>> don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are
>> receiving it.
>> >>
>> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it so
>> that we can do something about it.  We _have_ talked about it in meetings,
>> but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing the action
>> might not ever be aware they are doing it.
>> >>
>> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing
>> off his wedding ring as being sexist.  However I would point out that if
>> you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he
>> is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds
>> like it's a misunderstanding to me.
>> >>
>> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is
>> therefore the only person that can be talked to.  He's also the biggest
>> proponent of womens rights that I personally know.
>> >>
>> >> Brian Cluff
>> >>
>> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
>> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one
>> particular
>> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of
>> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members there,
>> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from
>> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended.
>> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other
>> members,
>> >>> act arrogant and rude.
>> >>>
>> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying
>> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff <brian at snaptek.com
>> >>> <mailto:brian at snaptek.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>    It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there are women,
>> >>>    but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole, and is
>> >>>    something we would like to change.
>> >>>
>> >>>    PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything but an
>> >>>    equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know about it
>> >>>    immediately.
>> >>>
>> >>>    Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated
>> >>>    differently the first thing I would have them ask themselves is,
>> was
>> >>>    I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling
>> >>>    discriminated against. I think you will find that assholes tend to
>> >>>    get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender.
>> >>>
>> >>>    Brian Cluff
>> >>>
>> >>>    On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>        hans,
>> >>>
>> >>>        I am sorry you cannot take a joke.
>> >>>        Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter.
>> >>>        Accusations of this are quite serious.
>> >>>
>> >>>        I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment.
>> >>>
>> >>>        Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG.
>> >>>
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