gender bias

[Michael Havens]

I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered to do a
presentation?
When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of doing a
presentation?
:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG.  Topics are
> good bit please do not deny lack of diversity.
>
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman <michelle.lowman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used to
> be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in the
> group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software licenses
> that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that presentation than
> the audience did.  I’m not a bit shy about doing presentations, so that
> helps. :)
> >
> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that when
> I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And some
> awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that
> discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a
> problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG.
> >
> > Michelle Lowman
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff <brian at snaptek.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they
> don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are
> receiving it.
> >>
> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it so
> that we can do something about it.  We _have_ talked about it in meetings,
> but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing the action
> might not ever be aware they are doing it.
> >>
> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing
> off his wedding ring as being sexist.  However I would point out that if
> you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he
> is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds
> like it's a misunderstanding to me.
> >>
> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is
> therefore the only person that can be talked to.  He's also the biggest
> proponent of womens rights that I personally know.
> >>
> >> Brian Cluff
> >>
> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one particular
> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of
> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members there,
> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from
> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended.
> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other
> members,
> >>> act arrogant and rude.
> >>>
> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying
> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff <brian at snaptek.com
> >>> <mailto:brian at snaptek.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>    It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there are women,
> >>>    but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole, and is
> >>>    something we would like to change.
> >>>
> >>>    PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything but an
> >>>    equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know about it
> >>>    immediately.
> >>>
> >>>    Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated
> >>>    differently the first thing I would have them ask themselves is, was
> >>>    I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling
> >>>    discriminated against. I think you will find that assholes tend to
> >>>    get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender.
> >>>
> >>>    Brian Cluff
> >>>
> >>>    On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
> >>>
> >>>        hans,
> >>>
> >>>        I am sorry you cannot take a joke.
> >>>        Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter.
> >>>        Accusations of this are quite serious.
> >>>
> >>>        I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment.
> >>>
> >>>        Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG.
> >>>
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