gender bias
Michael Havens
bmike1 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 3 12:03:46 MST 2014
Okay steering committee, why didn't you let her do her presentation?
:-)~MIKE~(-:
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
wrote:
> That would June 2014.
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered to do
>> a presentation?
>> When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of doing
>> a presentation?
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur <m.kaoru.wilbur at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG. Topics are
>>> good bit please do not deny lack of diversity.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman <michelle.lowman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used
>>> to be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in
>>> the group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software
>>> licenses that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that
>>> presentation than the audience did. I’m not a bit shy about doing
>>> presentations, so that helps. :)
>>> >
>>> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that
>>> when I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And
>>> some awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that
>>> discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a
>>> problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG.
>>> >
>>> > Michelle Lowman
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff <brian at snaptek.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they
>>> don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are
>>> receiving it.
>>> >>
>>> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it
>>> so that we can do something about it. We _have_ talked about it in
>>> meetings, but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing
>>> the action might not ever be aware they are doing it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing
>>> off his wedding ring as being sexist. However I would point out that if
>>> you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he
>>> is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds
>>> like it's a misunderstanding to me.
>>> >>
>>> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is
>>> therefore the only person that can be talked to. He's also the biggest
>>> proponent of womens rights that I personally know.
>>> >>
>>> >> Brian Cluff
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
>>> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one
>>> particular
>>> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of
>>> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members
>>> there,
>>> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from
>>> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended.
>>> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other
>>> members,
>>> >>> act arrogant and rude.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying
>>> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff <brian at snaptek.com
>>> >>> <mailto:brian at snaptek.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there are women,
>>> >>> but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole, and is
>>> >>> something we would like to change.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything but an
>>> >>> equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know about it
>>> >>> immediately.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated
>>> >>> differently the first thing I would have them ask themselves is,
>>> was
>>> >>> I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling
>>> >>> discriminated against. I think you will find that assholes tend to
>>> >>> get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Brian Cluff
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> hans,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am sorry you cannot take a joke.
>>> >>> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter.
>>> >>> Accusations of this are quite serious.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG.
>>> >>>
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